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To: kaila
with no long term studies of complications.

All vaccines are tested.

That is why I am against the varicella vaccine. No one knows how long it lasts, no one knows if it prevents shingles.

The first of these statements is a claim that the perfect should be the enemy of the good. The truth is, no vaccine is 100% effective, and as a matter of fact there are rare cases in the medical literature where people who have actually had chickenpox get it again.

What you are making is not an argument against varicella vaccine, but an argument against any vaccine, because none are perfect. Well, sorry, but I think vaccinating my kids against polio, or having a vaccination against smallpox myself, was a sound decision.

The second is objectively false. We do know that if you have immunity from varicella you will not get shingles.

Quarantine does not affect my health. The only side effect is boredom from being forced to stay home

You're missing the point, probably because you're determined to. The government is depriving you of life, liberty or property when you're quarantined. It's telling you what you may or may not do with your body. So you accept that authority in some cases, but think everything else is a slippery slope.

In that case, I will accede to your reasoning: as long as you agree to be quarantined for life, you may forego immunizations.

Look at the Gardisal vaccine- lots of young girls had serious side effects from an unproven vaccine.

If by "lots" you mean "a few."

The manufacturer makes information publicly available about the side effects of that vaccine. The manufacturer very clearly says that for certain patients that vaccine is contraindicated. I'm opposed to high schools participating in vaccination programs. I'm opposed to Rite Aid or Sam's Club administering vaccines. I'm opposed to vaccines being given by PA's or nurse practitioners, unless an actual MD has reviewed the patient's medical history -- especially allergies -- first.

That said, Gardasil is extremely effective, the side effects are rare, and it is going to save the lives of 100's of thousands of women. Since there is no history of celibate females getting cervical cancer [we actually learned of the link between HPV and cervical cancer through studies of Catholic nuns] since there is no evidence that you can get cervical cancer except as a result of venereal disease, I would say participation in that program should be voluntary as long as young women understand that they shouldn't be having sex before marriage, and if they do, there are significant risks, not the greatest of which is eventual cervical cancer.

However, most diseases DON'T fall into that category.

307 posted on 02/07/2015 1:02:56 PM PST by FredZarguna (O, Reason not the need.)
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To: FredZarguna
Matthew 5:22:

But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.

311 posted on 02/07/2015 2:51:48 PM PST by sargon
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To: FredZarguna
You are comparing me to an anti vaxx, but I am not. I do not think the government should force medication on anyone. I also do not believe in forcing meds on people with minor cost vs benefit ratio.

Polio, mumps, measles, pertussis , tetanus, diphtheria are something I would vaccinate my kids for.If I had kids. I would space it out.

Hepatitis I would wait until they are in their teens. Children are not at risk for hepatitis, especially newborns.

I would not give gardisal, varicella and roto vaccine. Cost vs benefit ratio is not there, and I am not here to help pharm make money off me. Gardisal does not even vaccinate against all strains of HPV. It is a waste of time, and risk of side effects much greater than the benefit.

I also think that we are the guardian of our bodies. The government has no right to sticking a needle in me. It is a slippery slope to government intervention in controlling behaviors they deem costly to the system.

Your statement :
“young women understand that they shouldn't be having sex before marriage, , and if they do, there are significant risks, not the greatest of which is eventual cervical cancer.”

That shows a lack of understanding of HPV. HPV can be passed from men to woman, so if the chaste girl marries an HPV positive male, she will get HPV.

If someone has measles, they should be quarantined. I have no problem with that.

If you want to force vaccines on everyone, then we should also prohibit the sale of alcohol, because drunk driving kills more people in the US than measles does. Slippery slope.

319 posted on 02/08/2015 11:23:57 AM PST by kaila
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