Second Shroud Discovered Vatican Veronica Veil

Gloria tv ^ | 3/2/2015 | purcre

[purcre]

Vincenzo Giovanni Ruello an experimental photographer from Australia has discovered what he claims to be the second shroud in existance in 2011 when he processed the Vatican Veronica Veil. The disturbing images show an identical face to the Shroud of Turin but tortured and battered with an eye bashed closed, fractured cheek,severe bruising. Gloria tv is screening the historical discovery never since Secondo Pia in 1898 has the world seen such images. http://gloria.tv/media/1cbGFGbq6Je

[tumblindice]

And Isaiah 53:7

[Gumdrop]

Veronica’s veil is known by all educated Catholic schoolchildren. It is part of the 14 Stations of the Cross that we pray during lent.

In the movie, “The Passion of the Christ” a scene is depicted of a local woman who sees the procession with Jesus carrying the cross, and she manages to get close to him and to wipe his face of the blood and sweat using her white veil. Go back and watch this scene. The woman is then shown watching as Jesus passes by and her veil is open with the imprint of his face on the veil. That is the story of Veronica, a name that comes from the Latin terms ‘Vero’ meaning “true”, and ‘iconi’ which means ‘icon’. Early Christians were in possession of this veil, and the actual name of the woman is not known, but believed that she became part of the Christian community. So she was called ‘Veronica’, meaning true image.

[EBH]

Satan fabricates many lies?

[Montana_Sam]

To the lurkers and doubters - no one is required to believe anything of these pieces of cloth. As to the inane comments about regard for this and the Shroud of Turin being nothing more than idolatry, perhaps we should toss the Bible into the fire that it isn’t worshipped, too. Are you incapable of self-censoring so you don’t sound so goofy? Yes? No? What is it? If the Shroud of Turin truly is the cloth that covered Our Lord’s body, the marks on it would give us a true record that coincides with and confirms the Gospel accounts of His torture and death. Idolatry? What are you all smoking?

[Vermont Lt]

Its stuff like this that makes me skeptical.

I understand its a “miracle.” But I think it harkens back to the time where the Vatican had to hold this stuff up to startle and excite the masses.

[Ruy Dias de Bivar]

I read that several hundred years after Christ died, a thousand years before the moon worshipers polluted the city, that during the renovation of the walls of Constantinople, there was found a niche in the wall in which was found a cloth with what looked like the face of Jesus.
Anyone know anything about this? I don’t remember if it was before or after the great Iconoclast movement which removed or destroyed many of the Christian statues in the city.

[infool7]

This would be very interesting indeed. If it can be authenticated, it would tie up a loose end I have been mulling over recently.

It is my understanding that Veronica loosely translates to something like “True Image”. Veronica is also the woman that touched the hem of Jesus’s garment and was healed after hemorrhaging for 12 years, I believe she is the Saint you mentioned.

The Shroud and the Sudarium were found together in the empty tomb and I have always wondered about the cloth from station six that Veronica used to wipe our precious Lord’s face. Since it hadn’t been found I thought that perhaps the Sudarium and Veronica were one and the same.

Silly Me...

[hinckley buzzard]

harkens back to the time where the Vatican had to hold this stuff up to startle and excite the masses.

What time was that? Which centuries? Which popes?

[Vermont Lt]

OK, you win. I am not as educated on the Vatican as you.

If we are going for the holier than thou aspect, how about this:

This is circus stuff. This is stuff that was produced by someone, somewhere, to wow the crowds, and bring in the entrance fees.

If the church simply kept with tithing and simony they would have been powerful. But if you wave the relics of saints and Jesus himself...you can bring in the world power type of money.

So, thats my opinion. There is no miracle here, just rousing the rable.

[Raycpa]

Not much can top the empty tomb.

[Swordmaker]

The other thread on the St. Peter's Veronica Veil. . . PING

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[annalex]

I think he's a hoaxer. Link

[Swordmaker]

How is it that there are 2 shrouds?

It's not a "shroud" but what is called Veronica's Veil. . . the cloth that a young woman offered to Jesus that He was supposed to have placed on His face to wipe off the sweat on the way to the cross. The legend says an image of his face was left on the veil. There are two contenders for the veil. This one in the Vatican and the Manoppello Veil which I contend is a painting on Cambric by Raphael.

Manoppello Veil

Cambric is a cotton material first woven by French weavers in the 15th Century. It was simply not available in 1st Century Jerusalem. The other possibility is the cloth is Byssus, which was available in the 1st Century. If so, it was a cloth that is and was so rare and expensive (today it is woven by only one person on Earth) that it was reserved for Roman Royalty, hardly something one would expect to find on the Jerusalem street on the way to the Cross.

The one kept at the Vatican is much more what one would expect to encounter in Jerusalem. It is rough linen. . . and bears a blurry blotchy imprint, not at all what one would expect to be a facial image until this filtered image was produced.

[Swordmaker]

John 19:32-33: So the soldiers came, and broke the legs of the first man and of the other who was crucified with Him; 33but coming to Jesus, when they saw that He was already dead, they did not break His legs.

The image on the Shroud shows a swelling on the cheek from being beaten on the face, not necessarily a broken cheek. I do not think one could diagnose a broken cheek on this cloth either.

[Swordmaker]

Looks like this is the separate piece; I wonder if it has the same pollen and distinctive weave style as the main shroud.

The Veronica at St. Peters is a simple one-over-one Linen weave. No one has ever taken it out of it's glass frame in modern times to study anything on the cloth. So, no pollen studies.

[Swordmaker]

So this is a second head covering rather than a shroud?

No, that's thought to be in Spain, in the Cathedral in Oviedo. This is Veronica's Veil. . . a third cloth associated with the trip from the trial to the Cross. It is not Biblical but traditional.

[Swordmaker]

In all seriousness, this sort of stuff is just a form of idolatry.

No, no one worships them as "idols".

[Graybeard58]

Superstitious lot, aren’t they.

[ifinnegan]

“No, no one worships them as “idols”.”

What do people do?

[.45 Long Colt]

Apparently we are to believe those pictures of old popes kneeling before the Shroud, kissing the Shroud, and bowing before the Shroud aren’t evidence of idolatry.