Posted on 01/17/2015 6:03:25 AM PST by C19fan
If evangelical Christianity is famous for anything in contemporary American politics, it is for its complete opposition to gay marriage. Now, slowly yet undeniably, evangelicals are changing their minds.
Every day, evangelical communities across the country are arriving at new crossroads over marriage. My magazine story for TIME this week, “A Change of Heart,” is a deep dive into the changing allegiances and divides in evangelical churches and communities over homosexuality. In public, so many churches and pastors are afraid to talk about the generational and societal shifts happening. But behind the scenes, it’s a whole different game. Support for gay marriage across all age groups of white evangelicals has increased by double digits over the past decade, according to the Public Religion Research Institute, and the fastest change can be found among younger evangelicals—their support for gay marriage jumped from 20% in 2003 to 42% in 2014.
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Since then, I've resigned my self to just watching from both the religious and political sidelines to see how and where things eventually shake out and whose hand is doing the shaking.
Interesting times...
I missed some great men by hours ... Born Again in Aug of '81
I met Hyles many times, but Lester ...
Are his homes still operational in Texas?
Many people don't understand nor know, what battles were fought for American freedom by men that had a strong core value and faith in God .... and won ...
.... Clayton Moore (The Lone Ranger ... copyright rights), Lester Rolloff (Freedom of religion and property rights) and a few others I can't remember just now
Sola Scriptura. No real church has a choice on gay marriage. God doesn’t take polls.
They were for a while, then they moved to to Missouri, I believe, then they were closed. The people who managed them after Brother Roloff weren’t like him, for the worse.
I stayed for a year in the Bethesda Home for Girls in Hattiesburg MS, and it was one of the best years of my life. I’ve often wished I could retreat to it again when I’m fed up with the escalating, openly celebrated sin of this world.
I often heard Brother Roloff preach in person, and though he’s often held up as an example by younger fundamentalists as not being an expository preacher, all I can say is that they must not be very familiar with the majority of his sermons. He most certainly could go off on some rabbit trails, but he was aware of this tendency and kept it in check. He loved the Bible and was too immersed in it to stray very far very often. The only time he got “political” was when he was fighting to keep from being forced to be licensed by the state.
Your’re certainly correct about that-I doubt that we’ll see the likes of men like Lester Roloff and John R Rice again, men who never succumbed to the comfort and ease of acceptance by the world.
Imagine my surprise when I found that Time magazine had changed my mind for me.
We had difficulty with our oldest daughter and at the advice from our pastor (and a lot of research .. Rolloff among that research .. around 1995 ) we decided on Hephzibah House in Indiana
You are a valuable testimony
I tend to agree. Marriage derives its meaning and significance from religious precepts. Government got involved through the door of Family Law, in the interest of children, who by nature, are not able to represent their own rights and interests.
The State now re-defining marriage, in fact, represents the State turning away from that one possible legitimate interest of Family Law. Children, and the protection of their rights to be raised by a father and mother, are the losers either way.
I’m always amazed when I see someone post a pro-gay marriage message on Facebook, and then their very next message is about God or praying, etc. Do they READ their Bibles? I’ve even heard people proudly proclaim, “I am for gay marriage BECAUSE I’m Christian!” I think these people think, “Being a Christian means you have to be nice to everybody, and telling someone they can’t marry who they want is just not nice!” So they’re going to “nice” their gay friends and relatives right straight into Hell.
I've no basis to doubt your logic, and I'll try to incorporate those words into my language regarding marriage and gay marriage
I'm involved with fighting the gay/straight alliance club in my local HS
This makes me wish that someone had thought to collect accounts of the life of Jesus and the writings of his disciples and make a book out of them.
Such a book would be of great value in settling disputes like this, if only it existed.
I do what I can to refute all the allegations of “abuse” by disaffected former teen residents of the Roloff Homes. The only corporal punishment I ever recieved was licks with a wooden paddle, twice, for blatant disrespect. The same kind of licks, with the same kind of paddle, which I received in public school (which gives you an idea of how ancient I am, lol). Nothing more. We weren’t starved, at all-Brother Roloff just didn’t believe in junk food-how prescient he was, considering the juvenile obesity epidemic in America now. I got worse spankings at home with a switch (not beatings, spankings).
He also despised teevee, and this was back before it was anything like as bad as it is now. Even when you disregard all the evil shown on it, he had a point about the fact that it’s not good for kids to be plopped in front of a teevee for hours on end, nor is it good for families.
They’re a Biblically illiterate one.
That’s makes as much sense as saying “I’m pro-adultery, pro-abortion and pro-divorce because I am a Christian.”
End times apostasy.
Good luck with that and God bless you!
Our rights are endowed to us based upon our common humanity, not a particular behavior. In fact, no one has a "right" for a spouse, hetero or otherwise. We have the right to remain silent. . a right to an attorney.. .but not a right to be married. However, a child does have a right to be raised properly by the father and mother who conceived and gave birth to the child. . and it is therein where resides the confusion.
I'll just bet you're surprised the language you use so commonly is new to a lot of other people (me, anyway)
God's only guidance in the matter is ...
Proverbs 18:22King James Version (KJV)
22 Whoso findeth a wife findeth a good thing, and obtaineth favour of the Lord.
A man has to go look for a wife
I like the thought of .. you have no right to a spouse
Most Christians are known for succumbing to “feelings” it is the reason progressives operate the way they do. The whole WWJD thing was an appeal to emotions... Religion cannot be based on feelings without being led by the nose into the devil’s arms. Which brings us back to authority.... And authority requires lots more training than the average reader has.
If I read it in Time, then it must be right. Right?
I have a lifetime sub to The Sword
‘Our rights are endowed to us based upon our common humanity, not a particular behavior. In fact, no one has a “right” for a spouse, hetero or otherwise. We have the right to remain silent. . a right to an attorney.. .but not a right to be married. However, a child does have a right to be raised properly by the father and mother who conceived and gave birth to the child. . and it is therein where resides the confusion.’
Very well put.
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