Posted on 01/01/2015 7:51:38 PM PST by blam
Kate Seamons
December 30, 2014
In an Aug. 4, 1955 photo provided by the CIA, the prototype U-2 spy plane is tested at what became known at Area 51 in Nevada. (AP Photo/CIA)
As far as "best of 2014" lists go, the CIA has a pretty irresistible one: On Dec. 22 it started tweeting links to the 10 most popular articles of the year that it shared on Twitter, and the agency arrived at No. 1 yesterday, tweeting: "Reports of unusual activity in the skies in the '50s? It was us." The accompanying link directs readers to The CIA and the U-2 Program, 1954-1974, a 272-page document from 1998 the CIA tweeted a link to in early July, reported KAKE at the time.
The upshot of the report is that the CIA was the culprit behind more than half of the UFO sightings logged in the 1950s and 1960s.
As VentureBeat reports, the CIA tested its U-2 spy planes at 60,000 feet, an altitude that seemed impossible for man to reach at the time—leading observers, specifically pilots, to suspect it wasn't man up there at all.
VentureBeat highlights a portion of the report that explains that in the mid-1950s, most commercial airliners stuck below 20,000 feet; military aircraft kept it below 40,000 feet.
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What if they are not from space? Maybe they are time machines from the future? Or from new dememtions? Or maybe from the Inner World? From a Nazi base at the south pole?
However, we got to the Moon, and landed the Curiosity Rover on Mars; Leonardo Da Vinci, Galileo, and Isaac Newton did not. By that logic, the thinking must be that makes us of superior intelligence to Leonardo De Vinci, Galileo, and Isaac Newton. Right?
My answer is that they probably are not. . . except the empirical evidence that they succeeded in not blowing themselves into Kingdom come by way of nuclear wars, internecine religious wars, cut-throat business wars, philosophical economic wars, and somehow found a way to survive their technological capability to destroy themselves, and survive the ennui of not having to work for their daily bread in a world in which everything can be made for them by their technology. . .
But that seeing as how we think that many of the stars we see are far older than is our own star, any planets that may be orbiting those stars might have started developing life earlier than ours. . . and that life may have had a big head start on developing intelligent life and therefore technology way before us. Some of them may have had millions of years of technological and sociological history that has taught them how to use technology and also how to survive it.
On the other hand, they may have reached the point where their technology is so far beyond them, they don't understand it at all anymore and merely use it. To them Arthur C. Clarke's third law has become an unconscious LAW. . . that any technology sufficiently advanced is indistinguishable from magic.
For them, all they would need to say is I want. . . and their Deus ex Machina (the god of the machine) would make it happen. . . without their ever needing to understand how it was accomplished, having long forgotten the why and how.
Interesting. Why? Were you too discombobulated to deal with it, or ... embarrassed, thought you were crazy, why didn't you discuss it?
I'm glad it wasn't me to see it. They scare the bejeebers out of me. Never seen one, hope it stays that way for the rest of what I hope will be a long life!
*shiver*
Yeah. Frankly, I miss Quix. He was a fierce Christian. I hope he's doing well.
You got me on the time factor...
It looks more like a saucer from George Adamski's kitchen cabinet.
ditto
Well let me rip the lid off of this can of worms.
Why couldn’t other beings elsewhere in the universe have the same God and Jesus as us? There is nothing in the Bible that supports it (other than perhaps Ezekial) nor is there anything to out and out deny it.
Who knows?
My dad tells of sitting beside a campfire with several of the Apollo 11-17 astronauts (astronaut field training) and one of them (liquored up), a test pilot (I forget who) said while he was piloting one of the new planes and had to sit on the runway while a UFO sat on the other end. After it left all film was confiscated and everyone was forbidden to talk about it.
Then there is the area near the Nevada Test Site where in the ‘80’s you could sit on a bluff and watch stuff fly that was clearly not flying like an airplane or helicopter.
Or the guy that worked there and said he was in the hanger with preserved aliens and machines. When he went public, they denied he ever worked there. Then someone pulled out the Test Site employee phone-book and his name was in it. Last I heard he was driving jet-cars.
I just would like to see some actual physical, hold in your hand evidence.
“Can’t ping him since he was booted off FR some time ago.
Yeah. Frankly, I miss Quix. He was a fierce Christian. I hope he’s doing well. “
I miss him as well. I had emailed him a link to this thread earlier today and here is a portion of his reply:
“THANKS, MUCH, xxxx,
I wonder what it would take for JimRob to allow me back. LOL.
Have thought of contributing $omething just for the memories.
Great to hear from you.
Thanks for the heads up on that thread.”
Thanks for the update on Quix. I always enjoyed his (I though it was a female, but....) posts. Some may have been a bit far out - but all made me ponder things a bit more.
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Interesting. Why? Were you too discombobulated to deal with it, or ... embarrassed, thought you were crazy, why didn’t you discuss it?
I’m glad it wasn’t me to see it. They scare the bejeebers out of me. Never seen one, hope it stays that way for the rest of what I hope will be a long life!
*shiver* “
I too, have seen whatever these ‘things’ are on numerous occasions. The most recent being just a few nights ago while driving. That one was miles away. People wonder why there isnt more video or still photos. One time I DID have my phone camera on me but it wouldn’t focus properly in the night sky. As to being scared, yep, me too, especially when they are close. A few months back there was one just below the tops of the trees near the creek by me. Every hair on my body stood on end! I’ve seen them enough times now though that I don’t freak out so much, but rather try to make mental notes of what is going on, and I PRAY!!! There also is that minor detail of people who have never seen such thinking yer nuts! Fortunately, there have been enough people in my area who HAVE seen them here that there is better credibility for all. Truly, it’s just the ones that are VERY close that scare the bejeebers out of me!
Perhaps if enough of us made a request to Jim...
I cannot understand, Jim Robinson, why you will allow some posters to remain who will repeatedly call ME and MY MOTHER and thousands of other moral, decent people "child molesters and drug pushers" simply because we stand solidly by our refusal to buy into a false and malicious definition of small l "libertarian," yet you will boot a guy like Quix who, while pretty scrappy at times, was and is DEEPLY Christian, very moral, and who never, that I recall, libeled anyone here with heinous falsehoods as this very small handful of FReepers to whom I refer, have been doing for MANY YEARS. Why the double standard, Jim?
It is quite mysterious to me. I would rather have Quix any day and see tiny handful of loud, rude, shouting, divisive, destructive, hate-filled libeling anti-small-l libertarians given the boot because they do FAR more harm to FR in a week than Quix could ever do in a year
God bless you and yours, Jim Robinson.
Quix won’t be back: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2902837/posts
On the other hand, they may have reached the point where their technology is so far beyond them, they don’t understand it at all anymore and merely use it. To them Arthur C. Clarke’s third law has become an unconscious LAW. . .
This was the point of my original and subsequent posts.
People use calculators today without “knowing” the underlying math. People drive cars without knowing “how” they work. Commercial airline pilots are more and more becoming passengers. There’s certainly many more examples of this.
The belief that just because/if they are here, they must be super intelligent as a necessity is false.
I don’t deny the necessity of a technologically advanced society required to conceive, design and build the type of craft that could traverse space and time in the first place. At the same time, I reject the idea that the operators of such craft MUST have the same “superior intelligence”.
I would suggest by most measures our “Advanced” culture has not led to everybody being advanced, quite the opposite in fact. As we have advanced we have also created a culture of idiots. A large percentage of the population that not only has no clue how things work, but has no interest in finding out. There is a bifurcation of intellect as the smart guys make more and more stuff that any idiot can use.
Personally, I don’t believe we have ever been visited by “Aliens”, ever.
Whether the alien “astronuats” invented or understood the technology that brought them to our solar system and planet and were thus superior, their civilization had to be of superior intelligence, or if you please, capability, to achieve such a feat.
I STILL MISS QUIX. He was angry and out of line, but he was a barking dog with zero bite. You have other false-friend enemies on FR who have, can, and will do FAR more damage, FAR more to hinder the cause of liberty and freedom, driving away many otherwise great FReepers with libelous insults and causing division among Americans who should be allies.
Oh well.
"In my Father's House there are many mansions. If it were not so, I would have told you." — John 14-2
At times I’m one of idiots but I have always liked to know how things worked and tried to pick up whatever I can.
I see so many educated types that absolutely cannot reason at all.
Good point about the super intelligent builders and not so smart operators and support people. Send the lesser beings out and see what happens. If any come back with something valuable then the higher beings take a front seat.
I doubt myself if there aliens that have dropped in on us. There is probably intelligent life or developing anyway. It would be a sad waste of space otherwise.
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One thing that gives me sleepless nights is the thought of a group of survivors having access only to the selection of books stocked in an average shop. How far would a civilization get trying to rebuild itself from the wisdom contained in the pages of self-help guides to succeeding in business, thinking yourself thin, or reading the body language of the opposite sex? Even the books in the science section would offer little help. The latest pop-sci page-turner might be engagingly written but it won’t yield much pragmatic knowledge.
The vast majority of our collective wisdom would not be to the survivors of a cataclysm. So how best to help the survivors?
You can’t simply describe all the modern technologies of our civilization without first explaining the fundamentals on which they are built. There’s much more to making an iPhone than knowing the design and materials of each of its components. Each piece of modern technology requires an enormous support network of other technologies, all interlinked and mutually dependent. The iPhone sits as the capstone on the very tip of a vast pyramid of enabling technologies. These include the mining and refining of the rare element indium for the touchscreen, high-precision photolithographic manufacturing of microscopic circuitry in the computer-processing chips, and the incredibly miniaturized components in the microphone, tilt sensors and magnetometers in the handset, not to mention the network of radio masts and infrastructure necessary to maintain telecommunications and the functioning of the phone.
Even quotidian artifacts of our civilization still require a diversity of raw materials that must be mined or otherwise gathered, processed in specialized plants, and the distinct components assembled in a manufacturing facility. A potent demonstration of this gulf was offered when Thomas Thwaites attempted to make a toaster from scratch. He reverse engineered it down to its barest essentials, and then sourced all the raw materials, digging them out of the ground in quarries and mines. He also looked up more traditional, and therefore achievable, metallurgical techniques and used a sixteenth-century text to build a rudimentary iron-smelting bloomery furnace out of a metal dustbin, barbecue coals, and a leaf blower. The finished model is satisfyingly primitive, but also grotesquely beautiful in its own right, and neatly underscores the very problems I’ll address in this book.
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