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Why Are We Importing Our Own Fish?
nytimes.com ^ | June 20, 2014 | PAUL GREENBERG

Posted on 12/30/2014 7:15:12 AM PST by ilovesarah2012

IN 1982 a Chinese aquaculture scientist named Fusui Zhang journeyed to Martha’s Vineyard in search of scallops. The New England bay scallop had recently been domesticated, and Dr. Zhang thought the Vineyard-grown shellfish might do well in China. After a visit to Lagoon Pond in Tisbury, he boxed up 120 scallops and spirited them away to his lab in Qingdao. During the journey 94 died. But 26 thrived. Thanks to them, today China now grows millions of dollars of New England bay scallops, a significant portion of which are exported back to the United States.

As go scallops, so goes the nation. According to the National Marine Fisheries Service, even though the United States controls more ocean than any other country, 86 percent of the seafood we consume is imported.

But it’s much fishier than that: While a majority of the seafood Americans eat is foreign, a third of what Americans catch is sold to foreigners.

The seafood industry, it turns out, is a great example of the swaps, delete-and-replace maneuvers and other mechanisms that define so much of the outsourced American economy; you can find similar, seemingly inefficient phenomena in everything from textiles to technology. The difference with seafood, though, is that we’re talking about the destruction and outsourcing of the very ecological infrastructure that underpins the health of our coasts. Let’s walk through these illogical arrangements, course by course.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Extended News; News/Current Events; US: Maine; US: Massachusetts; US: New York
KEYWORDS: agenda21; epa; fish; noaa; un; unagenda21
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To: george76
NOAA and EPA regulations are designed to destroy American jobs and businesses.

NOAA hs cranked it up in the last few years.
Obma appointee Jane Lubchenco allowed the big draggers access to an area charter boats have been heavily resricted in for 15 years . The cod make a great comeback there, and Lubchenco let them wipe the cod out.

Now NOAA has stepped in last summer in the middle of the season and stopped us from having any cod or haddock onboard as of Sept. 1st.
This killed our scheduled cod charters for Sept. and October.
Right now we don't know what the regulations will be for 2015.

The lobstermen also took a hit when they were stopped from lobstering during the winter over the concern they might accidentally snare a certain endangered whale species.
The lobstermen also got a short notice and had to remove their traps, usually about 800 traps per boat, or be fined.

These draconian measures will have collateral damage to other people directly or indirectly connected to the fishing.
Charter boats, head boats, fishing gear sellers, boat show booth rentals, motels, bait shops, etc. -Tom

41 posted on 12/30/2014 8:11:13 AM PST by Capt. Tom (Don't confuse U.S. citizens and Americans. They are not necessarily the same. -tom)
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To: george76
george76:" NOAA and EPA regulations are designed to destroy American jobs and businesses.
UN Agenda 21"

True !

UN Agenda 21 = International Socialism
UN Agenda 21 = Social Justice


42 posted on 12/30/2014 8:12:56 AM PST by Tilted Irish Kilt
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To: Tilted Irish Kilt

I knew a knowledgeable Freeper could explain things to me. Just doesn’t seem right.

And why do we import beef from South America?


43 posted on 12/30/2014 8:18:43 AM PST by ilovesarah2012
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To: Capt. Tom

Restaurants , retail , and other businesses will also suffer as there will less money from family spending with the bread winner / commercial fishermen not working.

Same for laid off lumberjacks, ranchers, and such.


44 posted on 12/30/2014 8:19:03 AM PST by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: TribalPrincess2U

“Don’t know what they would be fed if they were around.”

As far as I understand it, actual “farm raised” fish are fed a corn-based diet. Kind of like fish chow. That’s why they have to artificially dye farmed salmon orange. Without their natural sea diet they are just not salmon colored.

On the bright side, I’m told that fish farms are a great place to see bald eagles feeding. :-)


45 posted on 12/30/2014 8:19:30 AM PST by rhoda_penmark
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To: ilovesarah2012

From what I understand, the New England fishing business has been decimated over the last few decades by policies the elites have had the government impose on our fishing industry.

From what I understand, in the North Atlantic, OUR fishermen are largely somehow “prohibited” from fishing there, Chinese fishing boats fish there like crazy, then bring the fish in and sell them to US consumers. While US fishermen in New England are severely limited in their catch.

Someone will have to do the research on it, perhaps someone knows the details offhand.

Wake up sheeple, the Rothschild/Rockefeller interests hate your guts and are slowly leading you to totalitarianism under their rule.

If they’re not brought to justice, the sheeple’s goose is cooked.


46 posted on 12/30/2014 8:26:01 AM PST by PieterCasparzen (We have to fix things ourselves)
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To: ilovesarah2012

http://www.nmfs.noaa.gov/aquaculture/docs/aquaculture_docs/world_prod_consumtion_value_aq.pdf

http://www.st.nmfs.noaa.gov/commercial-fisheries/fus/fus12/

http://aquaterrastrategies.com/yahoo_site_admin/assets/docs/ISA_NOAA_Draft_Aquaculture_Policy_Comments.130114747.pdf

http://www.delmarvanow.com/story/news/local/delaware/2014/12/23/coalitions-ready-fight-aquaculture/20824645/ (NIMBY Greenie lawyer)

http://www.fishwatch.gov/farmed_seafood/aquaculture_faqs.htm (would you want to try to start a fish farming [aquaculture] business with the government agencies having this type of attitude?)

All your labor costs have to compete with welfare payments for zero work done.

Belize, with very low labor costs, has had many aquaculture businesses fail because they cannot compete with the labor costs, expertise and efficiency of the SE Asia producers.

I would like to experiment with production of the Australian Red Claw crawfish, the “freshwater lobster”, but the NC Wildlife Resources Commission has outlawed their importation.

“At present, the North Carolina Wildlife Resources Commission does not allow the importation and culture of Red Claw into the state. While the Red Claw crawfish dies in cold temperatures, there are many thermally enriched waters in the state where the species could survive the winter. Non-native crawfish have been identified as one of the more significant threats to our native populations. There is also concern that exotic parasites and diseases from non-native crawfish could be transferred to our native species.”


47 posted on 12/30/2014 8:29:00 AM PST by BwanaNdege
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To: dennisw

Chinese vessels catch ground fish haddock and cod. Freeze it on board. Then bring the frozen fish back to Chinese ports defrost the whole fish fillet it then Refreeze the portioned fish. Then it is sold in America. The chinese Vessels are fishing in Iceland. Alaska is probably fished the same way.


48 posted on 12/30/2014 8:41:05 AM PST by Colonial35
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To: Colonial35

Thanks for laying out the process for Chinese caught fish getting to Walmart!!


49 posted on 12/30/2014 8:45:24 AM PST by dennisw (The first principle is to find out who you are then you can achieve anything -- Buddhist monk)
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To: ilovesarah2012; Capt. Tom
See Capt. Tom's post #41 for more current, accurate information

A crappy NOAA example : Imagine yourself in a baseball game where your entire wealth is invested ;
1) if you win you keep your investment and make a profit and can go on again ;
2) if you lose you go bankrupt.
Then during the top of the fourth inning, the umpire (NOAA) changes the rules, offering advantage to the other team and restricting your team .

That is what is happening to American Fishery - the rules change with no notice, no rhyme or reason .. just .. because they can ! Several years ago, NOAA closed all SouthEast bottom fishery for four months (Virginia to Florida).
NOAA did no study to determine if any fishery was in decline or 'at risk';
There was no study before the fishery was closed; there was no study after the closure.
They closed it because they could !, as shown in Senate Committee Congressional minutes.
The Florida Senator was livid , NOAA was flumixed as this was the first time their feet was held to the fire.
Lubchenco announced her retirement soon therefter, but appointed her own successor,.. and the abuse continues.

50 posted on 12/30/2014 8:48:39 AM PST by Tilted Irish Kilt
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To: Nervous Tick
I doubt we’ll ever harvest a lot from it, but it’ll be nice to have the option.

That acre pond should provide about 300 lbs of Bluegill and Bass.

51 posted on 12/30/2014 8:59:46 AM PST by Starstruck (If my reply offends, you probably don't understand sarcasm or criticism...or do.)
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To: TEXOKIE; Whenifhow; Mr. Silverback; cripplecreek; NoLibZone; Lucky9teen; Pete; bicyclerepair; ...

UN Agenda 21 ( Let me know if you wish to be added or removed from the list.)


52 posted on 12/30/2014 9:01:06 AM PST by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: roofgoat

Come on down to the Lake of the Ozarks.
I’ll show you catfish.


53 posted on 12/30/2014 9:04:34 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks (Rip it out by the roots.)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

I’m a little SE of you Eric.

I wish I knew an old farmer near me with no kids who had a huge farm pond filled with catfish that he didn’t care about.


54 posted on 12/30/2014 9:11:24 AM PST by roofgoat
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To: FatherofFive

I buy my fish at the Chinese markets in Cleveland. They always have fresh Great Lakes fish. I buy the live Tilapia that are grown in Erie Pa. I never buy frozen.


55 posted on 12/30/2014 9:13:35 AM PST by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra (Don't touch that thing Don't let anybody touch that thing!I'm a Doctor and I won't touch that thing!)
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To: roofgoat

Stop on your way up and pick up some M-80s.


56 posted on 12/30/2014 9:15:55 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks (Rip it out by the roots.)
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To: rhoda_penmark

bald eagles feeding


Buddy of mine has a beautiful backyard, landscaped it, himself (with help from a few “indentured beer servants”, like me). Stocked a mini pond with koi - freaked out, when a bunch of them just plain disappeared. Turned out, the local hawks were feeding from his stock :)


57 posted on 12/30/2014 9:16:17 AM PST by jttpwalsh
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To: ilovesarah2012

Be cautious of eating any farm raised seafood. Very often it is treated antibiotics. So you never really know what it may contain. Farm fish in China like Tillapia can grow in stagnant poisonous water. I will never eat any product from China Knowingly anyway.


58 posted on 12/30/2014 9:17:08 AM PST by Colonial35
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

I’ll probably blow my hand off


59 posted on 12/30/2014 9:21:42 AM PST by roofgoat
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To: ilovesarah2012

“After a visit to Lagoon Pond in Tisbury, he boxed up 120 scallops and spirited them away to his lab in Qingdao. During the journey 94 died. But 26 thrived.”

That survival rate reminded me of the first imports of German doitsu carp to Japan, for interbreeding with koi. Only a few fish survived, but to quote Strangelove, those few carp “bred prodigiously.”

“In 1904,during the Japanese-Russo war, the Munich Research institute for Fisheries in Germany gave 40 western carp to the breeders in Japan. Sadly only 1 Mirror Carp and 6 Leather Carp survived the trip. Nevertheless, these German Carp were immediately introduced into the Japanese breeding programs and cross-bred with their indigenous carp. These seven Doitsu carp turned out to be the genetic backbone of Doitsu carp and later the Doitsu koi as we know them today.”

http://fish-etc.com/koi


60 posted on 12/30/2014 9:25:20 AM PST by Fantasywriter (Any attempt to do forensic work using Internet artifacts is fraught with pitfalls. JoeProbono)
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