Posted on 12/27/2014 4:52:35 AM PST by RoosterRedux
The fine-tuning necessary for life to exist on a planet is nothing compared with the fine-tuning required for the universe to exist at all. For example, astrophysicists now know that the values of the four fundamental forces—gravity, the electromagnetic force, and the “strong” and “weak” nuclear forces—were determined less than one millionth of a second after the big bang. Alter any one value and the universe could not exist. For instance, if the ratio between the nuclear strong force and the electromagnetic force had been off by the tiniest fraction of the tiniest fraction—by even one part in 100,000,000,000,000,000—then no stars could have ever formed at all. Feel free to gulp.
Multiply that single parameter by all the other necessary conditions, and the odds against the universe existing are so heart-stoppingly astronomical that the notion that it all “just happened” defies common sense. It would be like tossing a coin and having it come up heads 10 quintillion times in a row. Really?
Fred Hoyle, the astronomer who coined the term “big bang,” said that his atheism was “greatly shaken” at these developments. He later wrote that “a common-sense interpretation of the facts suggests that a super-intellect has monkeyed with the physics, as well as with chemistry and biology . . . . The numbers one calculates from the facts seem to me so overwhelming as to put this conclusion almost beyond question.”
Theoretical physicist Paul Davies has said that “the appearance of design is overwhelming” and Oxford professor Dr. John Lennox has said “the more we get to know about our universe, the more the hypothesis that there is a Creator . . . gains in credibility as the best explanation of why we are here.”
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If anyone wants more great info on this - Google Chuck Missler and/or go to www.KHouse.org - he has some brilliant dissertations on science and the Bible.
Apply Oczam’s Razor to the 2 explanations for the creation of the Universe, God or chance.
Out of quintillions of Universes that had a chance to start, this may be the only one that resulted in planets and life as we know it. Or it could be one of quintillions of universes/planets that did result in life and the Universe has been restarting for some near-infinite amount of time. Or some creative force made everything exactly the way it is once. No way to know from our current perspective.
IMO, the “God” and “creator” questions are not answerable to us in any present understanding of consciousness, space and time. All of our scientific observations will eventually lead to some infinite trivialities that are a tossup between infinite randomness or a divine creator. IMO, it is far beyond either theory and is something that will require a whole different perception of reality to understand
I don’t think you are “doing the math” correctly. If you look, you can find plenty of evidence that there is NO MATHEMATICAL chance this happened by cosmic accident. None. It was designed.
Thus, there was/is a designer. Period.
For ever since the world was created, people have seen the earth and sky. Through everything God made, they can clearly see his invisible qualities--his eternal power and divine nature. So they have no excuse for not knowing God.
IMO, it is far beyond either theory and is something that will require a whole different perception of reality to understand
You are correct my FRiend. And that reality will be revealed to you when you leave this Earth, IF and only IF you accept Jesus Christ as your personal savior, accept God in faith, confess your sins and ask for forgiveness. In Heaven we will see the wonders of God’s works.
This could be one of infinite working universes out of an infinite number that “failed”. Or it could be the only one that was designed. Or it could be anywhere in between 1 and infinity,
We simply don't know and there will never be proof from our current perspective
That's where Chaos Theory is so wonderful. Out of chaos, patterns and order will emerge, with mathematical principals that explain outcomes.
Perhaps Chaos is the Creator's blender. Add the necessary ingredients, stir them a bit, and order will emerge.
But who created Chaos? Something had to come first, the Creator of all Creators, didn't it?
My head spins when things get philosophical about how did something begin and why isn't there nothing.
But we do know more than you are willing to admit. Your definition of infinity is not what infinity really means. Time and space are THE SAME DIMENSION, as proven by Einstein. Moreover, time is NOT A CONSTANT, as proven by the world’s two atomic clocks - which are measurably different from each other because one is about 4 thousand feet higher than the other. Time bends.
But the biggest thing is this: infinity does not make it possible for the impossible to happen by chance. To have FAITH that it does is to have FAITH IN A GODLESS FLUKE far more than the faith it takes to believe in a Creator God. Such faith is simply and technically absurd. period.
I don’t think you understand chaos. Order reverts to chaos, not the other way around.
The evidence points to a deist God and that infuriates creationists just as much as atheism.
Order reverts to chaos, but then patterns emerge from that chaos.
I have a Masters degree in Biology and have been teaching Biology and Medical Laboratory Technology at the local Community College for over 30 years. Since I teach general biology at least once per year, I have to cover evolution. I am also a Christian and I live in NC which is located in "the Bible Belt". Yours is the exact point I make when I cover the subject. It is a lot more difficult to believe that the world we live which has produced such complex creations as the human eye resulted from chance mutation than to believe it was created by the hand of God.
Individually they are not a great problem, however, collectively they have engendered a dangerous anti-spirit that is attempting to destroy the people of God. It, the anti-spirit, cannot destroy us but it often causes great damage to society and individuals.
I believe we live in a time when the anti-spirit is gaining force. Our culture and our civilization are under constant attack from w/o and from w/i.
Vigilance.
I’ll refine my answer. When order is too tightly structured so as to prevent the normal ebb and flow of events, chaos will in time overwhelm that structure.
When God SPOKE his creation into existence, I've often wondered what that would look like. In one moment there was nothing, in the next moment there was EVERYTHING (in terms of matter anyway).
Any explosion of energy - call it a Big Bang - works for me...
Hoyle died 14 years ago, That was before iPhones and tablets, though he could have had one of the early iPods.
I’m defining infinity as an infinite number of Universes that have existed and will exist before this one. With an infinite number of possible chemical reactions and infinite number of arrangements of whatever constitutes matter. In an infinite number of possible orders.
It’s no a “fluke’. A near impossible outcome is eventually GUARANTEED to happen when so many attempts are made. Just like when someone is practically guaranteed to win an “impossible” 1:300Million lottery because 1Billion tickets are purchased.
Either theory requires faith in something that has not been proven. I don’t believe in either one and consider both to be equally meaningless with our current level of limited understanding.
For me it is the difference between possible & probable.
Keep in the mind the point of this article: ...if the ratio between the nuclear strong force and the electromagnetic force had been off by the tiniest fraction of the tiniest fraction—by even one part in 100,000,000,000,000,000—then no stars could have ever formed at all.
Now, stack the chances of the universe even existing, with the chances of life spontaneously generating (and the chances of the eye or even the brain forming), and you're forced to answer (or at least formulate) the question: was their a designer, or could everything truly come from nothing - by chance?
Sure, it's certainly possible, but definitely not probable.
Are you a gambler?
Well, that’s been so for quite a while.
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