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To: newfreep
"He was very wise and a true, free market capitalist."

Nope.

Jobs at every chance worked to make the Apple a closed system, both of hardware and software. The original Macintosh was designed to be totally closed, with no ability by the owner to modify or change it. The market forced Jobs to change that somewhat, but at every step his impetus has always been "closed and proprietary". In the Apple universe, Wozniak was the "wise and true" open systems guy.

The other "wise and true free market capitalist" of the early computer founders was Bill Gates. It wasn't Jobs hardware and software that drove the personal computer industry to the depth and breadth it exhibits today......it was Microsoft and Intel ("Wintel"). And in fact, "Wintel" drove the technology so far and so fast that Apple ended up using the same hardware in their systems rather than the Motorola technology they started out with.

If Jobs was any sort of capitalist at all, it was of the "John D. Rockefeller" school....make and keep a monopoly.

Was Jobs brilliant....yes. Was he a technology visionary....yes. But a "free market capitalist".....no.

60 posted on 12/26/2014 12:04:33 PM PST by Wonder Warthog (Newly fledged NRA Life Member (after many years as an "annual renewal" sort))
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To: Wonder Warthog

Jobs was indeed a very wise and a true, free market capitalist despite your wailings.

Jobs molded Apple into a high profit margin enterprise while eschewing market penetration. This led to Apple becoming the WEALTHIEST CORPORATION IN THE WORLD.

Now THAT is free market capitalism!!!!

Your comments were simple explanations of his “toys” - and exposed your lack of understanding of Business 101 - developing a strategic plan to maximize corporate weath for the owners.

Obviously, people who owned Apple stock became very wealthy...via free market capitalism of Apple.


65 posted on 12/26/2014 1:02:58 PM PST by newfreep ("Evil succeeds when good men do nothting" - Edmund Burke)
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To: Wonder Warthog

I disagree with your assessment of Jobs. I think you’re confusing the free market with open technology. The two things are not the same. Agree or disagree with Apple’s “closed and proprietary” marketing strategy, but don’t try to claim it isn’t capitalistic. It is. It’s just that Apple decided long ago to be the Lexus of the computer market. One doesn’t have to sell cheap to the masses to make huge profits as part of the free market.


78 posted on 12/26/2014 4:30:29 PM PST by CitizenUSA (Proverbs 14:34 Righteousness exalts a nation, but sin is a disgrace to any people.)
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To: Wonder Warthog
Jobs at every chance worked to make the Apple a closed system, both of hardware and software. The original Macintosh was designed to be totally closed, with no ability by the owner to modify or change it. The market forced Jobs to change that somewhat, but at every step his impetus has always been "closed and proprietary". In the Apple universe, Wozniak was the "wise and true" open systems guy.

Wozniak wanted to GIVE his computers away... not sell them. He was not even interested in making money. Don't give me that crap that open systems is capitalism . . . it isn't. Apple was practicing capitalism. Making a product that people wanted and selling it. . . and had NO OBLIGATION to make it open like you seem to think they did. Steve Jobs wanted to sell the original Mac for $1695, but was overruled by the CEO of the company. . . a guy he hired. . . and and it was put on the market for the SAME price IBM was selling their computer for, $2495. You make the mistake of conflating free market with open source.

Bill Gates was no "wise and true free market capitalist." Bill Gates was a pirate. . . who would steal anything that was not nailed down and even then if no one was looking. You have no clue about what made Steve Jobs great. . . or why his technologies and vision remade FIVE industries. . . without ever being a monopolist. Gates made a monopoly and acted like a monopolist. . . and was slapped down for it.

Frankly, I don't think you have a clue what a "free market capitalist" is from what you have written, and i say that from being educated as an Economist.

85 posted on 12/26/2014 10:16:16 PM PST by Swordmaker (This tag line is a Microsoft insult free zone... but if the insults to Mac users contnue...)
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