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‘Stand your ground’ defense fails in Montana murder trial (Markus Kaarma found guilty)
Associated Press ^ | Dec 18, 2014 2:20 AM EST | Lisa Baumann

Posted on 12/17/2014 11:57:19 PM PST by Olog-hai

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To: Deagle

So now the situation has 100$ bills “OUTSIDE” of the garage.

Have at it.

Step a foot in for no reason and you may get a silent 22 through your brain.

Get It?


41 posted on 12/18/2014 12:57:23 AM PST by eyedigress (e(!zOld storm chaser from the west)/?s)
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To: wetphoenix
Not to mention a victim is an exchange student from Germany. I have ordered smartphone on-line while in a suburb of quite a large city in Germany and fond it on top of my mailbox because a courier went when I wasn’t at home. He haven’t even thought someone else can pick it nor did people who went by

I was in Aschaffenburg, Germany last month and saw a woman drop her wallet out of her purse as she was grabbing her change purse to buy something from a vendor. Someone who could have easily walked away with it picked it up and handed it back to her. I could actually believe a scenario where a German saw a wallet laying on the ground and would try to alert the owner.

42 posted on 12/18/2014 12:59:56 AM PST by Oshkalaboomboom
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To: eyedigress

We are talking about baiting aren’t we? I thought that was the case. How is this n?ot the same as leaving the garage door open (with goodies in sight) to draw in the thieves while waiting with a shotgun? Really, you don’t see the difference?


43 posted on 12/18/2014 1:00:29 AM PST by Deagle
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To: Deagle

So-called legal entrapment only occurs where one induces another to commit a crime that one would not have normally committed. Merely leaving a garage door open cannot be considered this; Kaarma would have somehow forced Dede to have entered his garage, which he did not.

Liberals even consider bait cars entrapment.

The jury was wrong.


44 posted on 12/18/2014 1:04:47 AM PST by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai; Deagle

Read “Kaarma would have somehow had to have forced Dede to enter his garage”, i.e. to really have been entrapment.


45 posted on 12/18/2014 1:06:28 AM PST by Olog-hai
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To: Deagle

I leave my door open every day. I have over 30,000 bucks worth of “stuff” in there.

I know my neighbors and they know me.

I have the ability to Shoot to Kill, Taze, Mace, and beat the crap out of any asshat that comes in my garage without welcome. I do NOT trust this world outside of my neighbors.

Thieves are of Judas and I will help them along to their suicide.


46 posted on 12/18/2014 1:08:26 AM PST by eyedigress (e(!zOld storm chaser from the west)/?s)
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To: Olog-hai

Correct conviction. The kid was a punk, but the shooter set out to kill him. Not remotely self defense.


47 posted on 12/18/2014 1:09:59 AM PST by Dagnabitt (Amnesty is Treason. Its agents and supporters are Traitors.)
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To: Olog-hai

No, not in this case because he intentionally left it open to draw in the culprits and waited with a loaded shotgun.

That makes all the difference whether you want to believe it or not! As law abiding and pro home defense as I am, I could never abide by someone who planned and executed this premeditated act! There are lawful qualifications - premeditation is a major one!


48 posted on 12/18/2014 1:10:27 AM PST by Deagle
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To: eyedigress

Sorry, doesn’t apply here... Keep trying to defend planned murder of anyone who breaks into your house. Your actions just describe carelessness in a safe neighborhood.


49 posted on 12/18/2014 1:12:56 AM PST by Deagle
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To: Deagle

Why were they in that location?


50 posted on 12/18/2014 1:14:09 AM PST by eyedigress (e(!zOld storm chaser from the west)/?s)
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To: Deagle

You admit that Dede is a “culprit” then.

No, it makes no difference.


51 posted on 12/18/2014 1:14:56 AM PST by Olog-hai
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To: Deagle

Answer it.


52 posted on 12/18/2014 1:15:01 AM PST by eyedigress (e(!zOld storm chaser from the west)/?s)
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To: eyedigress

Come on! He planned to confront the intruders with a shotgun! Probably stayed up all night to be sure...you don’t see anything different here?


53 posted on 12/18/2014 1:15:47 AM PST by Deagle
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To: Deagle

Right, a thief enters your house unsolicited and it’s “planned murder”.

There’s a reason why Missoula MT has been termed the “People’s Republic of Missoula”, remember.


54 posted on 12/18/2014 1:16:35 AM PST by Olog-hai
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To: Deagle

Why were they there?

Answer it!


55 posted on 12/18/2014 1:16:41 AM PST by eyedigress (e(!zOld storm chaser from the west)/?s)
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To: Deagle

You admit they are “intruders” too.


56 posted on 12/18/2014 1:16:52 AM PST by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai; Deagle

This moron has no answer. Trick or Treat was 7 weeks ago.

I have had enough of idiots defending idiots.

Walk into my garage that happens to be wired for sound and lets see how it works out.


57 posted on 12/18/2014 1:21:19 AM PST by eyedigress (e(!zOld storm chaser from the west)/?s)
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To: Olog-hai

Seems to be too many immoral and illogical folks here tonight (my reasoning of course)! I give up. Can’t seem to get across a point about the difference between home protection and baiting while waiting with a shotgun...oh well. I differ and always will in this instance.

You folks deserve the police baiting and prosecution that is warranted by your responses. Good luck.


58 posted on 12/18/2014 1:22:11 AM PST by Deagle
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To: Deagle
Just tell us all Why were they there...!
59 posted on 12/18/2014 1:24:31 AM PST by eyedigress (e(!zOld storm chaser from the west)/?s)
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To: Deagle

Why were they there...!


60 posted on 12/18/2014 1:27:29 AM PST by eyedigress (e(!zOld storm chaser from the west)/?s)
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