Posted on 12/10/2014 5:03:48 PM PST by Bettyprob
Texas Senator Ted Cruz is reminding Americans that no civilized nation should ever torture prisoners.
“Torture is wrong, unambiguously. Period. The end. Civilized nations do not engage in torture and Congress has rightly acted to make absolutely clear that the United States will not engage in torture,” Cruz said during the Q-and-A portion of a speech at the Heritage Foundation.
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The unspoken line, though, is the one to consider.
It is wrong, but if I have to be wrong for the right reasons, then I’ll be wrong. My people’s lives are more important than some terrorist’s comfort.
Exactly....define torture. How about having to jump out of a burning building to avoid being incinerated? How about having your head sawed off?
I’d take sleep deprivation any day.
Another pu$$y. Great. Terrorists can cut our guys heads off with dull butter knives but heaven forbid we cause them a little pain to get information.
Torture is simply wrong.
Ah, bur is enhanced interrogation torture? Does not the definition of torture include intent? John McCain was tortured by the North Vietnamese. The prisoners in Gitmo were subject to enhanced interrogation. There IS a difference.
Is losing your job or girlfriend a valid excuse for going out and shooting a bunch random people? Of course not, but liberals seem to think that Muslims are somehow justified in doing the same thing over any number of even more frivolous reason. Buying their oil, not giving them someone else’s land, thousand year old disputes, etc.
I have very mixed feelings about this - especially when I think of the viciousness of some of our enemies.
But I do think that we have to stand for principles and not just expediency.
-JT
EXACTLY
His dad probably has some opinions on torture.
I’m against torture, too...
Our enemies deserve a bullet to the temple.
Let God sort them out.
Ted,
Sorry, I don’t agree. When we’re dealing with terrorists and they don’t talk, we have to do whatever we must to get them to reveal their plans.
Civilized niceties are for civilized people. They are not meant to be extended to head choppers and homocide bombers. And you of all people, should be the first to appreciate the difference.
To quote from the Talmud, “he who is merciful to the cruel, will be cruel to the merciful.” Our enemies torture and execute people. And you would rather spare them unpleasant things like enhanced interrogation techniques to find out what they are up to because we’re civilized.
I would never spare an enemy bent on killing us all and who seeks to destroy my country from what he truly deserves. And Ted, please feel free to quote me on it.
Define “torture”...
I’m sure we could all come up with various definitions/concepts as to what constitutes “torture”...
Some very aggressive coercion on the other hand...
If they don’t confess, just let them outside with an electronic bracelet and say that the drones will be following them.
Clint Eastwood’s Iwo Jima movie showed a Marine killing two prisoners who surrendered just because he didn’t want to stick around on guard duty.
It’s not something that I encountered in the book I read about the battle for the island.
I did read about a Japanese soldier who walked out to the men from a cave, didn’t give up but did talk to them for about half an hour, and then they noticed he was wired to the cave. He was killed without further death.
I also read that there were Marines of Japanese ancestry who helped talk the enemy into surrendering.
When our government and our entertainers say “we tortured prisoners”, they aren’t thinking of waterboarding and Barney tapes. They are taking Hunter S. Thompson at his word at ESPN where he wrote that what he saw (in the Abu Ghraib photos) was WORSE than the most horrific NAZI atrocities. Words mean things and the hyperbole used by the Left planted an image in their mind that emboldened them against us. The release of the Abu Ghraib photos (which did NOT lead the prosecution of those responsible, they were already under criminal prosecution) served as gasoline to make the area unstable, flood jihadists in from other countries, and soured stateside support for the war in Iraq.
That is voluntary, and can be quit anytime.
I don’t think waterboarding is torture.
So, I’m okay with that.
Water boarding is not torture. Puling out fingernails with a pliers is torture. Sticking a PVC pipe bomb up the rectum is torture. Wrapping piano wire around the penis and then parading naked girls in front is torture but water boarding is not torture.
bull, to the crap.
Simply, terrorists are not supposed to be granted/guaranteed any “rights” period because of their combatant status, in addition to the fact that they are NOT US citizens...this is all liberal BS speak trying to muddy the waters here.
US citizens engaged in terrorism need to be summarily tried and executed for treason.
Torture is wrong and civilized people don’t. Ted is right on this one.
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