Posted on 12/07/2014 7:25:21 AM PST by gorush
...And it was a headlock, not a chokehold. To be a chokehold, there must be constant pressure on the person’s neck, compressing his windpipe or cutting off the flow of blood to the carotid artery, rendering him unconscious.
Watch the video: It’s obvious that the arresting officer put his arm around Garner’s neck to bring him to the ground — but once Garner was on the ground, he was still conscious and able to say he couldn’t breathe.
That’s when the officers called for medical back-up. Tragically, the EMS personnel failed to administer oxygen or to ascertain that Garner was asthmatic and use an inhaler to assist with his breathing.
A top medical examiner (who can’t publicly fault the city ME) tells me it was very irresponsible for the Medical Examiner’s Office to issue the press release stating that Garner’s death was caused by a chokehold (with asthma, heart disease and obesity as contributing factors) and ruling his death a homicide.
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Yes, it does seem like a good example of extremely faulty and desperate “logic”.
Silly nonsense. Ever been in a fight. Situation flat uncalled for and they know it.
Ok, Mr. Combat. How do you arrest a sumo size man who does not cooperate? Unnecessary force is the other complaint being touted by the left and their followers.
“He’s breathing. He has a pulse” Yeah, yeah, yeah says the EMT”
If he’s breathing and his heart is beating....tell me what you’re supposed to do “medically”? Besides call for an ambulance.
If everyone would take the time to watch the several videos from different angles, they could only come to the same conclusion. I finally did and was amazed that there was any question of a “chokehold”. The officer’s arm was around Garner’s neck for mere seconds, not nearly enough to cause his death. And all the protesters who are shouting about Garner being murdered in the street probably have never watched any of them. Garner was alive and breathing when he was picked up by medical personnel and loaded into an ambulance that the officers called to the scene.
It is also clear on the tapes that Garner said he was “tired” of being arrested(not surprising after 33 times) and refusing to be handcuffed. This man was so huge that the officers arm barely even fit around the vicinity of his neck. Garner died of the exertion of resisting arrest because he was in such bad health at the time. Also, he died later, not on the street.
I don’t expect that he police would do anything, but I would expcect the EMTs to do more.
If a person who was trained in cpr was there, cpr should have been given.
It doesn’t look to me like he’s breathing.
Maybe he was, but I couldn’t see it, and I looked hard.
I saw her check his pulse, but I don’t know, he looked dead to me.
You may want to re-examine that one. It's a safe bet street peddlers RARELY visit a doctor, and the police need no further information than what's in front of their collective eyes. Although in this case they did have access to some other particulars because of Garners arrest history, but it's beside the point I made previously.
Yeah, but the difference between what is reasonable and actuality reality is measurable in light years in this country.
If the dude had all those health problems and didn’t know at all, welp, not much can be done for him, and it’s definitely his fault he died then, well his fault and Obamacare.
I don’t think it’s logical fallacy at all. I was responding to the poster’s comments about the victim being killed because he broke the law (over a tax issue in my opinion).
My statement about Hitler and Jewish laws was not a statement of cause to what happened in NYC. It was an example of how unjust some laws can be - arbitrary and (in this case, deadly).
You guys have your opinions - I have mine, you don’t have to agree. I didn’t call for the cops’ indictments; I only stated that there is some civil culpability here and if I were on a jury, the city would pay.
Because Hitler made unjust laws, henceforth, all laws are unjust. Great logic.
Your logic is flawed because you infer from my comment indicated that “all laws are unjust”....BS. I said nothing of the kind.
As an asthmatic myself certain positions do compromise especially if I am already a bit short of breath. Garner was no doubt short of breath from just arguing. For me slowing down and concentrating on breathing helps as does standing. I simply don’t know how anyone nonmedical other than Garner could have known how to help once his breathing was compromised. This was a tragic cycle so NY could get their cigarette tax. But I don’t see the police as more culpable than the man who knew he had asthma and with his record no doubt he knew what the police would do when he resisted.
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