Posted on 12/05/2014 7:38:23 AM PST by Enterprise
NYPD sources confirm that Eric Garner was a player in an organized crime cigarette smuggling syndicate, Gotnews.com has learned.
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“Garner was setting up shop in front of the local stores and shaking down business owners and patrons as they entered,” says Cardillo.
Garner would use his considerable size to strong arm largely ethnic shopkeepers and was “on the radar” of local law enforcement who had arrested him previously.
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Justify?
Things got briefly rough, but that’s how it goes when your a huge guy breaking the law and not immediately submitting to police in a rough jurisdiction. The stress of arrest may have been the “last straw” for his body, but it wasn’t police action that killed him, it was his body trying to operate at near-terminal limits under even normal conditions. Odd how those blaming the cop have not seen the autopsy report.
And yes, a kid making “furtive movements” with what is indistinguishable from a large-caliber handgun is likely to be treated exactly like a kid making “furtive movements” with a large-caliber handgun. Tragic, but sometimes a confluence of events leads to inevitable tragic outcomes. Don’t play with realistic toy weapons around skittish cops under questionable circumstances, kids.
Sure felt like he was choking me for the maybe 30 feet or so across the lawn. I couldn’t talk or breathe well, couldn’t speak.
Submission holds are fair game under such circumstances, and alas are (to ignorant bystanders) indistinguishable from choke holds. Cuffing a huge guy waving his arms around is extremely hard and requires a lot of force.
Lesson: don’t break the law, and police won’t have reason to perhaps get rough with you. (This guy had been arrested for this some 8 times.)
I agree. Don’t resist arrest.
Anyone see any statement from NYPD about availability of taser?
But don’t you get it Cletus
By FR logic.....criminals or those who don’t salute their JBT betters should die for it
Its a lot simpler that way
The revolution will be interesting
That’s why I said it was poorly applied - he cinched it poorly and it didn’t do its job.
Around these parts there’s a long, proud, and ongoing history of making the stuff. A local state park keeps an example still on display in the woods, a high-class regional magazine had a classy article detailing (not _too_ much detail though) about local continuation of the art, and if you know the long-term country locals well enough they can see to it you get what you need. I may not buy it, but that’s only because of an unhealthy fear of breaking the law and sufficient local demand leading some makers to jump thru the high & prolific hoops needed to make theirs legal.
Sure, but it's not a massive problem because the "cost" of legal alternatives is minimal. Most people won't risk breaking laws for small change. I have a budy who shares his home brewed Guiness.
Home brewing for your own use is perfectly legal. Selling it isn't.
Running a still without a license is illegal.
“Fortunately, my husband let me do that.”
Yeah a drunk that would lock his kids and 4 week post partum wife out of the house...with a preemie in the hospital...and make faces at the window....is a real prince.
Thug life
Choke holds render you unconscious, however, and they do so very quickly.
Exactly my point. As the cost of being "legal" (from either supply or demand side) increases, the number of lawbreakers increases.
It's not worth your while to try to undercut legal cigarettes to save a few cents of taxes. It may not even be profitable.
But when state/city/county taxes amount to $6-7 per pack, the profit motive becomes clear.
Rush Limbaugh was just talking about how this was not a choke hold, and he cited an article written by Bo deitl on this very subject in which he says it was not a choke hold, and that those claim it is are knowingly lying.
And I also believe that.
I didn’t see the cop at any point attempting to apply pressure to the arteries of the neck.
Furthermore, I’d like to point out that applying pressure to the arteries of the neck does not at the same time restrict a person’s ability to breathe.
I do not believe engaging in dishonesty on either side of this matter is helpful at all.
All I want to deal with is truth and fact, and truth and fact is that no choke hold was applied.
That’s not why the man died.
I won’t agree that it is FR-logic. We are free citizens that determine our own destiny within the purview of God.
I can see your (facetious?) point but, that isn’t really indicative of FR as a whole.
Yet...I agree the “revolution” will be interesting.
More to the point, the RUN-UP to the revolution will be exceedingly interesting.
MOLON LABE
To answer a different way:
I would _make_ liquor, hindered _only_ by the prohibitive taxes & regulations involved. I make mead on occasion (entirely legal), and wouldn’t hesitate to remove the water from it if not for the prospects of being arrested for isolating a substance legal to make in diluted form.
I'd wager there's a hell of a lot more still operators than there are loosey peddlers.
"And little incentive for the otherwise law abiding to enter it."
Are you suggesting if taxes were lower on cigarettes Garner would have been "law abiding"?
FR logic means its a sort of a con census here
I don’t keep up with Fresno opines on every topic
I just observe in my little time I have to Freeper now testing the wind here on issues or news stories of the day
FR logic does not equate to Fresno point of view
That is normally off my radar unless I just happen to notice
Like last nite I noticed JR let Jeb Bush have it which I rather enjoyed
If he was part of an organized criminal organization, that would seem to make it more unlikely that he would resist arrest or a citation since his “bosses” would bail him out and defend him. He had been cited or arrested numerous times in the past, so it makes no sense that he would resist this time.
I agree completely. Good observations. My only point was that based on his arm placement gave me the impression it was a poorly applied sleeper. It indeed was not a choke.
I’m suggesting that if cigarette taxers were lower there would be no need for organized crime to smuggle cigarettes there and sell them on the street.
Garner would still be whoever he was, but there would not be a focus on police to go after cigarette tax evaders.
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