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Posted on 11/13/2014 8:15:01 AM PST by beaversmom
Erik Rush and others who hastened to scapegoat Muslims for the Boston Marathon bombing are ignorant of the religion. I can’t understand why people who have never so much as read a book about a subject appoint themselves experts on it. (Try this book, e.g.). We don’t yet know who carried out the attack, but we know they either aren’t Muslims at all or they aren’t real Muslims, in the nature of the case.
For the TLDR crowd, here are the top ten ways that Islamic law and tradition forbid terrorism (some of these points are reworked from previous postings):
1. Terrorism is above all murder. Murder is strictly forbidden in the Qur’an. Qur’an 6:151 says, “and do not kill a soul that God has made sacrosanct, save lawfully.” (i.e. murder is forbidden but the death penalty imposed by the state for a crime is permitted). 5:53 says, “… whoso kills a soul, unless it be for murder or for wreaking corruption in the land, it shall be as if he had killed all mankind; and he who saves a life, it shall be as if he had given life to all mankind.”
2. If the motive for terrorism is religious, it is impermissible in Islamic law. It is forbidden to attempt to impose Islam on other people. The Qur’an says, “There is no compulsion in religion. The right way has become distinct from error.” (-The Cow, 2:256). Note that this verse was revealed in Medina in 622 AD or after and was never abrogated by any other verse of the Quran. Islam’s holy book forbids coercing people into adopting any religion. They have to willingly choose it.
3. Islamic law forbids aggressive warfare. The Quran says, “But if the enemies incline towards peace, do you also incline towards peace. And trust in God! For He is the one who hears and knows all things.” (8:61) The Quran chapter “The Cow,” 2:190, says, “Fight in the way of God against those who fight against you, but begin not hostilities. Lo! God loveth not aggressors.”
4. In the Islamic law of war, not just any civil engineer can declare or launch a war. It is the prerogative of the duly constituted leader of the Muslim community that engages in the war. Nowadays that would be the president or prime minister of the state, as advised by the mufti or national jurisconsult.
5. The killing of innocent non-combatants is forbidden. According to Sunni tradition, ‘Abu Bakr al-Siddiq, the first Caliph, gave these instructions to his armies: “I instruct you in ten matters: Do not kill women, children, the old, or the infirm; do not cut down fruit-bearing trees; do not destroy any town . . . ” (Malik’s Muwatta’, “Kitab al-Jihad.”)
6. Terrorism or hirabah is forbidden in Islamic law, which groups it with brigandage, highway robbery and extortion rackets– any illicit use of fear and coercion in public spaces for money or power. The principle of forbidding the spreading of terror in the land is based on the Qur’an (Surah al-Ma’ida 5:33–34). Prominent [pdf] Muslim legal scholar Sherman Jackson writes, “The Spanish Maliki jurist Ibn `Abd al-Barr (d. 464/ 1070)) defines the agent of hiraba as ‘Anyone who disturbs free passage in the streets and renders them unsafe to travel, striving to spread corruption in the land by taking money, killing people or violating what God has made it unlawful to violate is guilty of hirabah . . .”
7. Sneak attacks are forbidden. Muslim commanders must give the enemy fair warning that war is imminent. The Prophet Muhammad at one point gave 4 months notice.
8. The Prophet Muhammad counseled doing good to those who harm you and is said to have commanded, “Do not be people without minds of your own, saying that if others treat you well you will treat them well, and that if they do wrong you will do wrong to them. Instead, accustom yourselves to do good if people do good and not to do wrong (even) if they do evil.” (Al-Tirmidhi)
9. The Qur’an demands of believers that they exercise justice toward people even where they have reason to be angry with them: “And do not let the hatred of a people prevent you from being just. Be just; that is nearer to righteousness.”[5:8]
10. The Qur’an assures Christians and Jews of paradise if they believe and do good works, and commends Christians as the best friends of Muslims. I wrote elsewhere, “Dangerous falsehoods are being promulgated to the American public. The Quran does not preach violence against Christians.
Quran 5:69 says (Arberry): “Surely they that believe, and those of Jewry, and the Christians, and those Sabeaans, whoso believes in God and the Last Day, and works righteousness–their wage waits them with their Lord, and no fear shall be on them, neither shall they sorrow.”
In other words, the Quran promises Christians and Jews along with Muslims that if they have faith and works, they need have no fear in the afterlife. It is not saying that non-Muslims go to hell– quite the opposite.
When speaking of the 7th-century situation in the Muslim city-state of Medina, which was at war with pagan Mecca, the Quran notes that the polytheists and some Arabian Jewish tribes were opposed to Islam, but then goes on to say:
5:82. ” . . . and you will find the nearest in love to the believers [Muslims] those who say: ‘We are Christians.’ That is because amongst them are priests and monks, and they are not proud.”
So the Quran not only does not urge Muslims to commit violence against Christians, it calls them “nearest in love” to the Muslims! The reason given is their piety, their ability to produce holy persons dedicated to God, and their lack of overweening pride.
(For a modernist, liberal interpretation, see this pdf file, “Jihad and the Islamic Law of War.”
>> Thus lots of peaceful sounding and noble things that appear early in the book are canceled out by other things he says later on.
Later on he had syphilis
“Fight them until all opposition ends and all submit to Allah.” (Koran 8:39)
The Koran also allows infidels to be put to death for simply not being Muslim.
These apologists are purposely misrepresenting the doctrine of Islam. It is completely permissible to lie about what Islam is to Westerners. It’s called taqiyya. The Koran has a lot of contradictory statements in it. Muslim scholars take the chronologically latest one. Since Islam started out having to pretend to be a normal realistic tolerant religion when it first started out, there are a lot of normal tolerant sounding things in the early parts of the Koran, but they have bee superseded by the later “kill everyone who refuses to convert” statements.
It’s the same way with Muslim populations in traditionally non-Muslim countries. They pretend to be normal rational and tolerant until they figure there are enough of them that they need to be in charge. Then the tolerance stops.
No one in the middle East believes what this person is saying is true and neither should you.
Correct, it is call “Abrogation”. You can’t cherry pick quotes from the Quran, you have to know the *order* - which is made more difficult by the fact that the book isn’t in chronological order.
Therefore, pointing these out is pointless. Mo got more and more violent as time went on, murder was common and specifically calls for “smite the necks of the unbelievers” (Christians and Jews) - I’m sure all these quotes probably apply still to Muslims, so long as they’re the “right kind of Muslim” !!!
The Koran, piss be upon it, stipulates that all things are Allah’s (their moon god), and if anyone denies this then they must be killed. However, they can be killed in time and not right away, but they must still be killed if they will not convert.
“We don’t yet know who carried out the attack, but we know they either aren’t Muslims at all or they aren’t real Muslims, in the nature of the case.”
This is called the “no true scotsman” fallacy. When you start off your article with such illogical nonsense, there is not much hope that the rest of the arguments will be any better.
Besides, we only need to quote one section from the Quran to debunk these claims (parenthetical notes are mine):
“[This is a declaration of] disassociation, from Allah and His Messenger, to those with whom you had made a treaty among the polytheists. (Christians are considered polytheists by Muslims)
So travel freely, [O disbelievers], throughout the land [during] four months (the four holy months of Islam) but know that you cannot cause failure to Allah and that Allah will disgrace the disbelievers.
And [it is] an announcement from Allah and His Messenger to the people on the day of the greater pilgrimage that Allah is disassociated from the disbelievers, and [so is] His Messenger. So if you repent, that is best for you; but if you turn away - then know that you will not cause failure to Allah . And give tidings to those who disbelieve of a painful punishment.
Excepted are those with whom you made a treaty among the polytheists and then they have not been deficient toward you in anything or supported anyone against you; so complete for them their treaty until their term [has ended]. Indeed, Allah loves the righteous [who fear Him].
And when the sacred months have passed, then kill the polytheists wherever you find them and capture them and besiege them and sit in wait for them at every place of ambush. But if they should repent, establish prayer, and give zakah (signifying conversion to Islam), let them [go] on their way. Indeed, Allah is Forgiving and Merciful.” From Al-Tawbah 9 - http://quran.com/9
Notice, at the end, there is no choice given to “live peacefully with the polytheists (Christians)”. They are to be killed, unless they convert to Islam, and this is commanded by the Muslims’ holy book.
Much better!
Actually, in the supreme irony, the origins of Mo’s Allah is a goddess, a Hindi goddess! So all these women-hating mooselimbs are dedicated to a transvestite-god/goddess!
Yes, I believe you have translated the doublespeak correctly.
Just like the Communists defined “Peace” as the elimination of all opposition to Communism.
You are way off. There are many more Koran and Hadith references glorifying Jihad and terrorism against the un-believers. Islam is chock full of contradictory material
exactly!!! No Koranic apologist is going to make any headway against you.
You are fully immunized by the truth! About Islam.
Yes, definitely have heard that regarding the Koran, but I’m not a scholar of it so I couldn’t site any verse touchy feely or violent. Just playing devil’s advocate and taking this person at his word about the good things. But if the adherents are ignoring the good stuff and the Koran is chock full of the violent and that’s what they are following, it’s all moot anyway.
Islam resolves the contradictions by stating that in any contradiction, the later passage supersedes the earlier passage.
The problem is of course, the earlier passages were the "peaceful" Islam and the later passages were all head hacking, clit hacking, hand/foot hacking, gay hanging, kill all the Jews, passages.
The more peaceful Mecca verses of the koran are pretty much superseded by the more aggressive Medinian verses of the Koran.
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