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Sukhoi Su-35S: Capabilities Out of This World
Rostec ^ | Nov 06, 2014

Posted on 11/07/2014 9:16:08 AM PST by sukhoi-30mki

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To: GeronL
F22 vectoring goes up and down

Russian vectoring usually goes in any direction


Looking at the wiki pic, it seems that the S-37 may be up/down also -

- not much sideways clearance to the control surfaces.

41 posted on 11/07/2014 12:02:41 PM PST by az_gila
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To: az_gila

That seems true. I was probably thinking of the other plane they had with thrust vectoring. I could be wrong of course.


42 posted on 11/07/2014 12:06:56 PM PST by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans)
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To: az_gila
At about 2:15-2:21 in this video it shows them moving the nozzles around

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ml_F6K8TPgs

and see this video of one meant for the MiG-29, looks like it was at a trade show or something

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NArrMPFNdUw

The Eurofighter version looks bulky and dysfunctional by comparison

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ss96tsbG5KY

43 posted on 11/07/2014 12:13:15 PM PST by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans)
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To: DoughtyOne

A lot of those low speed maneuvers are for air shows. Going slow and then into a flat spin would get you killed very quickly in combat.


44 posted on 11/07/2014 12:41:25 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants (The cure has become worse than the disease. Support an end to the WOD now.)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

I was thinking the same thing. Slow moving target, big heat signature... what could go wrong?

I do wonder about this. What if you saw some missiles coming in at distance turned and went straight at them missing them by 100 feet up or down? Could that work?

I honestly don’t know.


45 posted on 11/07/2014 12:44:31 PM PST by DoughtyOne (The mid-term elections were perfect for him. Now Obama can really lead from behind.)
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To: Mastador1


Uh oh, how do say "fire the rear cannon" in Russian??


46 posted on 11/07/2014 12:47:09 PM PST by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: DoughtyOne

Doubtful. A lot of missiles are designed to explode in the proximity of their target, spraying it with hundreds of pieces of shrapnel.


47 posted on 11/07/2014 12:52:51 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants (The cure has become worse than the disease. Support an end to the WOD now.)
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To: EQAndyBuzz

True but a C-130 armed with a bunch of AMRAAMs can shoot down a lot of top end fighters.


48 posted on 11/07/2014 12:58:00 PM PST by AppyPappy (If you are not part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

Okay. Thanks. That makes sense.


49 posted on 11/07/2014 1:00:20 PM PST by DoughtyOne (The mid-term elections were perfect for him. Now Obama can really lead from behind.)
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To: smokingfrog
Oh sure pull actual dialog from the movie! Facts, who ever actually uses facts! : )
50 posted on 11/07/2014 1:00:30 PM PST by Mastador1 (I'll take a bad dog over a good politician any day!)
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To: GeronL

sorry, but bushie in cohorts with mcpain cancelled the f-22.....

i hope the new bunch of pubs are better than the last batch


51 posted on 11/07/2014 1:58:38 PM PST by joe fonebone (a socialist is just a juvenile communist)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

The Russians make some nice looking aircraft while we have fat looking aircraft.


52 posted on 11/07/2014 2:39:29 PM PST by minnesota_bound
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To: minnesota_bound

The SU-27 and its derivatives are very big; bigger than most US aircraft types. So the ‘fat’ argument doesn’t exactly stand.


53 posted on 11/07/2014 2:41:18 PM PST by sukhoi-30mki
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Fat looking. I know they say it is for stealth but it still looks fat.
http://files.air-attack.com/MIL/f22/f22northernedge_2_20090619.jpg


54 posted on 11/07/2014 3:03:46 PM PST by minnesota_bound
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To: Little Ray

Am sure Pooty is hoping Arhentina or Vensuhela will buy some........ if they ever get any money.


55 posted on 11/07/2014 3:24:55 PM PST by X-spurt (CRUZ missile - armed and ready.)
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To: X-spurt

Venezuela has already purchased the SU-30, an older cousin.


56 posted on 11/07/2014 3:27:32 PM PST by sukhoi-30mki
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To: sukhoi-30mki

On credit?


57 posted on 11/07/2014 3:36:58 PM PST by X-spurt (CRUZ missile - armed and ready.)
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To: X-spurt

Nope, they were bought during the heady days of Chavez when oil prices were high(er).


58 posted on 11/07/2014 3:57:38 PM PST by sukhoi-30mki
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To: Kenny Bunk

~If an enemy has 100 of these available, on a day when we have 10 F22s available ....~

Making of a Sukhoi Su-30 Flanker (in 3 minutes)

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=XIxr4PDT544

Just look at how easy the technology is. They can bake it the way warplanes were built in US in WWII, by the thousands.

Someone told me that in late 1990s when they charged China and Malaysia up to a 50 million per copy they still offered to Russian air force for about a million dollar a pop and it was still considered profitable.


59 posted on 11/07/2014 4:06:27 PM PST by wetphoenix
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Still, as with many Russian maintenance requirements and costs with buyers like Venezuela result in lots of unavailable planes.


60 posted on 11/07/2014 4:35:56 PM PST by X-spurt (CRUZ missile - armed and ready.)
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