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1 posted on 10/14/2014 8:07:35 PM PDT by ironman
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This simply cannot be.
The TV told us that Bush LIED about Chemical weapons in Iraq.

The TV wouldn’t LIE to me, would it?


2 posted on 10/14/2014 8:08:57 PM PDT by tcrlaf (Q)
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Huge story. 8 parts long.


4 posted on 10/14/2014 8:12:21 PM PDT by ironman
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They trash there not being WMDs.

Now they’re trashing us because there were WMDs.

I can think of a few choice words for these craven word crafters.


5 posted on 10/14/2014 8:12:26 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Obama and the Left are maggots feeding off the flesh of the United States.)
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Wait hold on a minute..according to those media and leftist critters, we were told that Bush lied, Bush lied, Bush lied..wait a minute, are you saying that Bush was telling the TRUTH this whole time..


6 posted on 10/14/2014 8:12:41 PM PDT by Sarah Barracuda
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Bravo Sierra, there were no chemical weapons, the democRATs told us so.


7 posted on 10/14/2014 8:16:50 PM PDT by NonValueAdded (Pointing out dereliction of duty is NOT fear mongering)
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The American government withheld word about its discoveries even from troops it sent into harm’s way and from military doctors.

Discoveries? Ebola has been 24/7 news for weeks. What do they mean discoveries? :)

8 posted on 10/14/2014 8:25:40 PM PDT by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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...Instead, American troops gradually found and ultimately suffered from the remnants...ah, so now instead of being damned for lying because there were no WMD, we can vilify Bush because there were WMD and they made our troops sick - great the way that works out......
10 posted on 10/14/2014 8:50:44 PM PDT by Intolerant in NJ
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'Nothing of significance’ is what I was ordered to say,” said Jarrod Lampier, a recently retired Army major who was present for the largest chemical weapons discovery of the war: more than 2,400 nerve-agent rockets unearthed in 2006 at a former Republican Guard compound.
11 posted on 10/14/2014 8:51:37 PM PDT by icwhatudo (Low taxes and less spending in Sodom and Gomorrah is not my idea of a conservative victory)
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Oh that can’t be true.....didn’t the left tell me that there were no weapons of this nature in Iraq?


12 posted on 10/14/2014 8:58:44 PM PDT by Nifster
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I would say you have to be kidding me, but nothing shocks me about how duplicitous the left is/.


15 posted on 10/14/2014 9:26:48 PM PDT by KC_Conspirator
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bump!


16 posted on 10/14/2014 9:36:42 PM PDT by nralife
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I am just speechless and friggin livid right now.


17 posted on 10/14/2014 9:37:49 PM PDT by hawkaw
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May I summarize this NYT junk: Bush’s and America’s fault.

Key example:

“The United States had gone to war declaring it must destroy an active weapons of mass destruction program. Instead, American troops gradually found and ultimately suffered from the remnants of long-abandoned programs, built in close collaboration with the West.”

PS The “West” is NYT code speak for GW and the USA.


19 posted on 10/14/2014 10:29:57 PM PDT by piytar (So....you are saying that Hilllary (and Obama) do not know what the meaning of the word "IS" IS?)
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Posted the same story a few minutes ago and had the Mods pull it as a dupe. Sorry. A BTT from earlier tonight.

The story is, of course, furiously spinning. The author is careful to give the impression to the casual reader that these were all old munitions but in the body of the story it is clear that they were not, and that precursors and ingredients had been purchased by Saddam right up to the invasion. Pretty much as we said then and ever since.

There is, in this, no sense on the part of the Times that they have been merrily pretending otherwise, or criticism of anyone who parroted the party line that there was never anything there or if there was, it was our fault. The cold facts are that if things are as the author describes the munitions were dangerous then and they are dangerous now, and that Saddam's main facility falling into the hands of ISIS wasn't the non-event it was portrayed as.

21 posted on 10/14/2014 10:32:52 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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This is BS and NYT’s CYA. There was nothing secretive about chemical attacks while we were there. They were in the daily SIGACTS and BUAs. I read of several directly. The media CHOSE not to report them. They did not fit their meme of an unjustified war.

The NYT lied. Kurds died.


22 posted on 10/14/2014 10:44:43 PM PDT by Justa
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American troops gradually found and ultimately suffered from the remnants of long-abandoned programs, built in close collaboration with the West.

You realize that cover stories are built like onion skins. Peel back a layer and there is another layer. They were not "long abandoned". And "close collaboration with the West" just refers to the purchase of basic chemicals. Spin, in other words to avoid the reality.

Thank God for embedded reporters or we would know nothing. Some people here remember this, but I periodically remind people of it because this has mostly gone down the memory hole.

During the invasion, American troops found a chemical plant that produced "nerve agent". The plant manager was an Iraqi Army general. The plant was secured by Iraqi infantry. It produced nerve agent. The cameras recorded the event and it was played on national TV.

Then after a couple of days, they reported back that, no, come to find out, it wasn't nerve agent. It was agricultural pesticide.

Some time later they captured an Iraqi Army ammo dump and discovered barrels of nerve agent. Then after a few days it was reported that, come to find out, it wasn't nerve agent at all. It was agricultural pesticide. This happened several more times; at one event the reporters covering it were made ill from exposure to nerve agent only to be told later, nope, agricultural pesticide.

At a military ammo dump.

I asked myself then, who has that power, to make WMD disappear just by re-naming it? Because spread it on Iranian troops, yes, its nerve agent. Dilute it and spread it on your fields, its agricultural pesticide. If its being made by the military, and stored in military munitions stores, its for military use. But at a time when Bush's presidency hung by a thread on that very issue, they made it disappear.

And to this day almost everyone has forgotten. They found WMD. They made it go away by renaming it. Its as if it never happened.

28 posted on 10/14/2014 11:31:52 PM PDT by marron
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Now the NY Times is going to have some esplaning to do Lucy. Was this a secret by the Pentagon from the American people? Did this story just get out for the public to know because some really bad actors are now in passion of chemicals and we are not going to fight them because they have these or are we going to fight them because of the chemical weapons that did not start the Bush lied people died, in Iraq war.. If you head is not spinning then you haven’t listened to the CDC talk about Ebola and complaining about budgets when they got 500 million more in 2014. Or the story of how a video was the cause of an attack on Sept 11 at the compound in Bengazi. We have a tale in the NY TIMES about officer told not to tell the public about sick soldiers, but the stories of Iraq - gulf war disease explained by research at UTSW was not correct - now it is correct.


33 posted on 10/15/2014 2:26:19 AM PDT by q_an_a (the more laws the less justice)
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I hope you will repost this at lunch so it stays near the top of the breaking news. This darn thing makes me sick. Here in Dallas, a big time researcher had several vets in a study about gulf disease - he said it was from chemical weapons, but the VA said now way Jose. Someone pass out the pitch forks!!!!


34 posted on 10/15/2014 2:29:00 AM PDT by q_an_a (the more laws the less justice)
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Many of can well remember when the nespapers and other media assured us there were no chemical agents in Iraq, and President Bush was wrong.

The media have all very conveniently forgotten that now, of course.


35 posted on 10/15/2014 2:32:43 AM PDT by Jack Hammer
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https://www.facebook.com/notes/jim-bancroft/democrat-quotes-about-wmds-and-iraq/288300387862338


37 posted on 10/15/2014 2:54:59 AM PDT by RaceBannon (EIEObama (Ebola, ISIL, Open Borders, Enterovirus))
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