Posted on 10/06/2014 12:37:17 PM PDT by Nachum
Because there is no record or background check with a 80% lower.
Not if you go into the business of RENTING the machine. I could see somebody buying the machine, not using it to make anything for himself, but renting, for cash, access to the machine. And keep no records of who rented access to it.
Does anyone know of any place where John Q. Citizen can walk in off the street
and buy an 80% lower for cash without providing name, rank, and serial number?
It’s not a gray area. The ATF has admitted that you may legally construct a functioning firearm (i.e. the part that is serialized by the manufacturer) as long as you do the work yourself. Since a 80% completed lower is just a chunk of metal as far as the AFT cares, anyone can purchase one without having it recorded in some dealers bound book. Therefore the ATF has no record of it.
Unless you make a habit of only buying with cash at gun shows. Even if you order online, if you have ONE registered AR-15, how can they know how many UNREGISTERED AR-15s you have?
They know.
If they want our guns, they will knock on the door and demand them. Hand them “the one” and they will just burn your house down cause they know you are lying.
The next guy will give up ALL of his guns, 80% or not.
This is what the Nazis did and it was very effective. In case you missed it, our government is using both Hitler’s and Stalin’s playbook these days.
How about those AK-47 “flats”, sheet metal with machinists’ drawings that they used to sell? Designed for production using stone age technology, add the front & rear trunions to the formed sheet metal, & there’s an AK receiver.
I wouldn’t even do the Eric Holder/Lois Learner “my dog ate it” line.
I would just be up front with my customers that you need to send a cashier’s check, that you don’t keep records of who you sell it to, and if they want warranty work, they need to present the original item.
No sales list, no email list, no nothing.
From day one.
Yes fut there a restrictions on sale of said firearm.
I've seen lots of 80% lowers sold at gun shows, no way of identifying purchasers. Just park a few blocks away and walk, so the ATF doesn't record your license plate. ;-)
My understanding is that once you have possessed the item for a year, you may sell it. The 1 year period without sale is presumptive proof that you did not “manufacture” it for profit.
That is the period an FFL needs to hold a personal firearm that he obtained from his FFL before he can sell it as a private party, without record-keeping.
How do they know when you “made” it?
This is why I never got a CR license.
The rules are vague at best.
You are correct.
But the burden of proof is on them, not you.
At least until considerable further degradation of the courts...
I just try to stay out of the gray areas with ATF.
The Feds had my fingerprints and address a long time ago.
Well, ... I know a guy who tried this. When the end mill slipped in the inexpensive drill chuck, the lower was ruined before he realized what was happening. There are probably some drill presses which are suitable, but many inexpensive ones are not.
I’ve heard that you can transfer without cost. FWIW....
“Sorry, dear...the law says I GOT to keep it....”
You just can't make them with the intention to sell them as part of a business.
There is no gray area. Manufacturing and being “in the business” are defined in law.
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