Posted on 10/01/2014 12:53:29 PM PDT by Mariner
A former Food and Drug Administration chief scientist and top infectious disease specialist said that several people were exposed to the Ebola virus by the unidentified patient in Dallas, Americas first case, and its likely that many more will be infected.
Dr. Jesse L. Goodman, now a professor of medicine at Georgetown University Medical Center, said while the nation shouldnt panic, its best to prepare for the worst.
It is quite appropriate to be concerned on many fronts, he said in a statement provided to Secrets. First, it is a tragedy for the patient and family and, as well, a stress to contacts, health care workers and the community at large. Second, it appears several people were exposed before the individual was placed in isolation, and it is quite possible that one or more of his contacts will be infected, he added.
Whats more, he conceded that it was only a matter of time that the swift-killing African virus arrived in the U.S.
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*click* spin *click* spin *click* spin BANG!
Eeeee-bolllll-aaaaaa ping!
Bring Out Your Dead
Were gonna need
a bigger cart!
Post to me or FReep mail to be on/off the Bring Out Your Dead ping list.
The purpose of the Bring Out Your Dead ping list (formerly the Ebola ping list) is very early warning of emerging pandemics, as such it has a high false positive rate.
So far the false positive rate is 100%.
At some point we may well have a high mortality pandemic, and likely as not the Bring Out Your Dead threads will miss the beginning entirely.
*sigh* Such is life, and death...
ROFL. Good one.
Made some strong statements myself. Getting flamed. What is it going to take to cause the nation to wake up, rise up and flush these people down the toilet for what they are doing?
I contacted CDC for the first time on business in 1974. Once David Sencer was fired over the Jerry Ford swine flu shot, the politicians started taking over, and the rapid deterioration, especially in the past ten years, has been very sad.
Over four million people live in Liberia - what are the odds another Liberian will figure out he can get world class free medical care for the price of a plane ticket to the United States?
Oh the irony; so many years of medical school and all that equipment and the nitwits still have no clue about the basics.
“What is it going to take to cause the nation to wake up, rise up and flush these people down the toilet for what they are doing?”
Bears repeating on a tape loop, a ring tone, whatever means necessary to get it stuck in one’s mind that we as a nation are in extreme danger.
By all outward appearances, practically no one (in a position to make a significant difference) gives a flip.
From the airlines that keep flying into and out of hot zones despite the obvious dangers to not only the passengers and flight crew as well as whomever may come in contact with them to the CDC and the illustrious leader of the once very free US of A which by the way should be on this like stink on poo implementing containment protocols.
This (among other recent events) is pure insanity and if I might add diabolical.
Can you say MEGA EPIC FAIL or SUCCESS (obviously dependent on your perspective as well as objective)
Where is that Lost In Space robot flailing his arms about while wailing DANGER... DANGER... DANGER clip when I need it?
***Europe doesnt have it, neither does Asia or Australia as far as I know.***
I’ve heard that it is in Europe, but that TPTB don’t want it known, because it would hurt their tourism industry. Makes sense to me.
Well, that’s my thought on it once it’s here.
Zero tolerance! You go beyond that and it just gets worse exponentially.
You’ve probably seen me kindof talk down supposed high risk situations. It has been my perception that a number of times there’s far too much hype. This is one where I am leery of poor management.
I am also leery of the ‘big lies’ appearing again.
Much of the AIDS problem stemmed from Reagan’s Surgeon General, himself a homosexual. C Everett Koop drove home the idea a condom would prevent infection. The questions were, were condoms specifically designed to withstand the rigors of homosexual sex? Could these condoms fail? And last but far from least, did he foresee condoms being disregarded in homosexual acts?
The whole campaign to safeguard the spread of AIDS was written in such a manner as to take any responsibility off homosexuals for engaging in risky sex. Koop couldn’t face the reality that a group of which he was a member, could be a severe risk to public health, and almost exclusively so.
Bath houses where a person could have multiple sex partners nightly, or even more over a weekend, were considered safe enough to keep open.
If you think of how a sexually transmitted disease spreads exponentially, it’s shocking to what lengths this surgeon general ignored known facts to allow AIDS to profligate almost without any regard to public safety.
01 Person one has sex with five people.
02 Five people have sex with five people.
03 Twenty-five people have sex with five people.
04 One hundred and twenty-five people have sex with five people.
05 Six hundred people have sex with five people
06 Three thousand people have sex with five people.
07 Fifteen thousand people have sex with five people.
08 Seventy-five thousand people have sex with five people.
09 Four hundred and fifty thousand people have sex with five people.
10 Two million four hundred and fifty thousand people have sex with five people.
At the end of level ten, you’ve got twelve million people infected.
This was Koop’s idea of how to safeguard the public. It was a betrayal of massive proportions.
It should also be noted, that in the mid 1980s homosexuals were readily admitting the most active in their communities would party at bath houses all weekend, and have far more than five partners in just one weekend.
This was okay with C Everet Koop, the CDC, and the NIH. Local community health departments went a long with it.
In San Francisco, there was upwards of a 50% infection rate in homosexual individuals.
Look, even if you’re a homosexual, and I would say especially if you were homosexual, look at how their community was betrayed by C Everet Koop.
He may have been trying to keep them from being stigmatized, but in truth he was facilitating the continuation of very dangerous practices, which resulted in a massive calamity on homosexuals.
It was unfair to the straight community. It was particularly unfair to the homosexual community.
Homosexuals were allowed to continue donating blood for quite a while. Imagine that. It was a known blood communicated disease and they didn’t safeguard the blood supply.
This mind-set was so prevalent that health care workers were not informed what type of patient they were dealing with. Physicians were not informed that their patients had HIV before surgeries.
One prominent physician resigned and wrote a book on the subject.
I do not want to see this type of thing get repeated.
I happen to believe what the scientists who actually have spent years studying Ebola, both in the lab and in the field during past outbreaks, have to say about it. I refuse to engage in fear-mongering or hysterics. I strongly believe that people should be fully informed with accurate information, and I have seen no indication that anything the CDC or any other health agency has said is incorrect.
If that is “finding comfort in fairy tails”, then I am guilty as charged.
I have endeavored to present accurate information and to correct fallacies, and will continue to do so.
You can continue to do whatever you like.
Just be aware that some of us watched the AIDS situation unfold and know exactly what tactics they’ve used in the past.
Those were experts back then too. And they flat out lied across the board.
I am warning people not to be too trusting. If you think that’s a bad thing to warn against, then you’ve already revealed yourself to be unaware of what has taken place in the past, and biased against a safety first approach now.
I have not advised folks to do anything radical here have I.
THINK FOR YOURSELVES FOLKS!
And what has happened to the guy in Nebraska, and weren't there several other cities with people being watched and in hospital isolation? Protocols and precautions not being followed. Vomit left and not cleaned up immediately. Even then apparently not taking it serious enough to have proper hazmat clean up etc. etc.
It's a MADHOUSE. And it's Maddening. And still the one says no need to restrict flights from the region, and zero, zip screening at airports for flights arriving. But not to worry the experts at ridicule will soon be here telling you that we are all just panicking without reason cause it's really hard to catch yada yada. Well I'm not panicked, but I do think it would be better err on the side of caution.
I'll tell you what - the airlines better get their act together, because if any people on the planes come down with Ebola, there's going to be a lot of lawsuits, and repeating like robots that they followed CDC guidelines ain't gonna cut it with juries. JMHO
Im never quite as certain it cant be spread by coughing as the government folks are. Someone coughs, and fluids are spread, those too can become infection sources.
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Now see that’s how they have confused people. It can be spread with coughing and sneezing, if you are close enough to get a droplet of that bodily fluid. However that is not the same thing as the technical definition of airborne.
And it’s not airborne according to them, but what most people think of as airborne such as coughing and sneezing is considered airborne to the general public.
The number of children is now up to 8 exposed.
Well, that’s just social justice, doncha know? Can’t have it be endemic in Africa, gotta make sure other countries especially USA(cause it’s racist) get to share the pain.
And don’t forget the little boy that “fooled” Ebola. He apparently had a mild case, and was asymptomatic for weeks, but still tested positive for the virus, and had to stay in the hospital.
I just don’t know that people always realize that they have symptoms, and just think maybe they are tired until they get more symptoms.
I understand what you’re saying, but I do agree with them until it’s proven otherwise.
I believe they don’t consider it airborne, because normal exhalation does not send contaminated air around where anyone breathing that air could become infected..., that we know of. And I think that’s a reasoned belief for now. Absolutely nothing is in concrete as far as I am concerned though.
Fluids expelled would still have to enter the body trough a compromised skin area, not the lungs.
I agree with the comments regarding a low grade infection.
Once you’re infected though, you’re infected. IMO, you certainly can pass off infected bodily fluids, even if not symptomatic.
This seems reasoned to me. If someone can come up with a reason why it’s not true, I’m willing to listen.
I will be frank though, I will always consider this situation to be a certain threat. It would be very hard for someone to convince me otherwise.
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