[Labyrinthos]

Groubert's lawyer, Barney Giese, said the shooting was justified because the trooper feared for his life and the safety of others.

Because of incidents like these, I fear for my life whenever I encounter a cop, but that doesn't give me a license to shoot first. At least the State of South Carolina did the right thing by promptly terminating this scum.

[SkyDancer]

Police: Cop was just following procedure.

[arthurus]

Much like the recent police shooting of a black teenager in Ferguson, Missouri

The circumstances of the two shootings are not comparable. Mr. Jones was not rushing the officer and had not punched the officer already in the face.

Once an officer in a stop orders one to perform an action that requires some bodily movement then it is a shooting situation. If the driver moves to retrieve his wallet or to do anything else he is open to being shot. If he doesn't move he is in noncompliance and liable to be shot. The time is coming if we don't get a handle on this when the only rational response to being stopped by a police officer while in your car will be to try to shoot the officer before he shoots you.

[WilliamofCarmichael]

Groubert is white and Jones is black, but neither state police nor the FBI keep detailed statistics on the races of people in officer-involved shootings.

The FBI figures below include the majority of all police departments. The point of this reply is to point out that whites are the most likely to die while being arrested. The Obama-Holder U.S. Dept. Just Us and the race-grievance industry will of course exploit this shooting to the max vis-a-vis race more than any concern for the poor victim.

The FBI stats show that whites are more likely to die while being arrested and IMO there is no doubt that some of those deaths were the intention of the police.

What about the larger number of whites and Arrest-Related Deaths (ARD)? Why is that okay with Obama, the race-grievance industry, and the media? We never see coverage of questionable ARDs involving whites that's anything close to Ferguson.

Arrest-Related Deaths, 2003-2009 - Statistical Tables

"From 2003 through 2009, a total of 4,813 deaths were reported to the Bureau of Justice Statistics’ (BJS) Arrest-Related Deaths (ARD) program."

Of these, about 6 in 10 deaths (2,931) were classified as homicide by law enforcement personnel, and 4 in 10 (1,882) were attributed to other manners of death.

Table 1 Number of reported arrest-related deaths, by manner of death, 2003-2009

Manner of death	2003-2009	2003	2004	2005	2006	2007	2008	2009
All manners	4,813	627	673	689	721	745	629	729
Homicide —by law enforcement	2,931	376	375	377	447	455	404	497
by other persons	27	3	4	4	2	7	3	4
Suicide	541	60	84	82	67	78	76	94
Intoxication	525	83	83	90	76	89	54	50
Accidental injury	272	53	41	47	39	35	28	29
Natural causes	244	26	46	32	34	42	33	31
Unknown	273	26	40	57	56	39	31	24

Note: Due to variation in reporting, caution should be used in comparing counts from year to year. See Methodology for information on missing data by state for each year. Counts may differ from previous publication due to additional information.

Table 5 Number of reported arrest-related deaths, by manner of death and demographic characteristics, 2003-2009

Demographic characteristics	All manners	Homicide	Suicide	Intoxication	Accident	Natural causes	Unknown
Total	4,813	2,958	541	525	272	244	273
Sex
Male	4,594	2,851	517	490	259	218	259
Female	218	107	24	35	13	26	13
Unknown	1	0	0	0	0	0	1
Race/Hispanic origin
White, non-Hispanic	2,026	1,233	327	178	95	110	83
Black, non-Hispanic	1,529	937	80	217	111	85	99
Hispanic	949	599	110	109	55	29	47
Other*	150	107	12	17	4	4	6
Unknown	159	82	12	4	7	16	38
Age
17 or younger	127	99	6	5	13	0	4
18-24	909	685	80	53	54	10	27
25-34	1,391	893	140	177	65	41	75
35-44	1,238	658	159	190	78	66	87
45-54	752	390	105	84	45	75	53
55 or older	317	188	44	11	12	52	10
Unknown	79	45	7	5	5	0	17

*Includes American Indians, Alaska Natives, Asians, Native Hawaiians, other Pacific Islanders, and persons of two or more races.

To me this shows that it is not a racial thing. It happens to all races. These figures however do not show those thought "murdered" by police. I have not yet located data for recent years. Why can't I find data for recent years? I do not know.. maybe the Dept of Just Us and Race-Grievance Industry don't want it known that whites are the most likely to die being arrested.

[jespasinthru]

Check out the photo of that cop. Look at those cold, soulless eyes. Obviously the type who joined the police force for the sake of Authority, so that he could boss people around and legally hurt and/or kill them. He just happens to be the one who didn’t get away with it.

[stevie_d_64]

Well...Think about it...Why would this be news, unless the purpose was to incite further tension???

This has to be happening a LOT more than makes the news outside the immediate area...

The insane solution that you might not be surprised about is that some would champion Black cops for black civilian areas, and White cops, for white civilian areas...

Absolutely NO interracial contact to be made till an officer of the “right” color responds to the scene...

It would only make sense to the Jesse Jackson’s and Al Sharpton’s of the world...

Nevermind the “real” effectiveness of such an asinine solution, but that would be secondary to the overall problem fomented by the race pimps in the black community...

Yeah, I already know, I’ve been called a racist well before such incidents occur...

Yawn...

BTW, the cop DID act a little bit too quick on the application of deadly force in this situation...And now he is not the only one paying for it...

[The Cajun]

Damn that was bad.
The guy, to me, didn't look like he was moving fast or doing anything threatening.
And to be shot at 4 times for just holding his wallet, cop totally panicked and in the wrong business.

An analogy to me would be, a salesman pulls in my driveway, reaches back into his car for brochures or a product and I draw down and shoot him because I thought he might have a weapon.
I'd be put under the jail.

[dragnet2]

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[School of Rational Thought]

I am going to disagree with most of you Ferguson rioters.

Once the motorist’s hands were hidden in the truck, the cop’s escalation to action was predictable.

Some of the follow-up shots are the problem, even though in those situations the shots are adrenaline driven.

Never let a cop lose sight of your hands. If you have to retrieve your license from inside the car, as in this case, you tell the cop so, and ask how he wants to proceed.

People make the serious mistake of assuming the cop is a mind reader and knows that you are a Nobel Peace Prize recipient and up for sainthood.

[Psalm 73]

"FREEZE - PUT YOUR HANDS UP - I SAID FREEZE" - Bang!!

[xrmusn]

I think a lot of this stems from when ‘they’ decided 4 years of Military life as a big plus for going into Law Enforcement was trumped by a 20 yo with 2 years Junior College under his belt.

Also when the quals were tailored to fit a 5’5 120lb person and then expect a 6’4 220 to ‘work’ alongside of them.

When I got out in ‘64 I was looking into joining the Virginia State Police. I was 6’0 148 lbs and had 8 yrs in the Navy behind me.

They acknowledged they liked the fact I had Military attitude and bearing, had some real life experience, looked squared away etc BUT told me to go put some ‘meat on my bones’ - he then threw in - Proportionately, not ‘fatten up’ to get to a ‘desired weight’.

Granted a ‘recruiter’ probably wouldn’t have talked like that but I was dealing with a ‘working’ Sgt and in that era we weren’t in the habit of suing just because someone may have hurt your feelings. (By telling the truth).

[GrandJediMasterYoda]

Here’ a longer video.........

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RBUUO_VFYMs

This cop is an absolute moron to the nth degree. I can’t believe this, he actually walked up to someone on private property and shot him.

[Roman_War_Criminal]

WTF?

Anybody ever google the video of Kyle Dinkheller’s murder by Andrew Brannan (effin’ POS)?

Eerily similar.....
I want to know what happened before the video started to get the cop to come over.

[usconservative]

Levar Jones' painful groans and then-Trooper Sean Groubert's reply — "Well you dove head first back into your car"

Anyone who states this cop should be fired answer this question:

How was the officer to know that once Jones came back out from the vehicle that he wasn't holding a gun himself ready to shoot the officer?

Anyone with half a brain knows by now that whenever you're stopped by a police officer you keep your damn' hands where the officer can see them so as not to establish yourself as a potential threat to the officer's safety first.

[sport]

Ping

[cuban leaf]

Groubert had stopped Jones on a seatbelt violation at a Columbia gas station

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So, he wasn’t even on the road?

Bogus stop in the first place. Gee, I wonder if his license plate illumination light is in order...

[Paradox]

Its pretty obvious what happened. I watched the video over and over, the long version too. My knee jerked plenty of times but in the end, it is quite apparent that the police officer simply panicked.

He stopped a black guy, in what looks to be a not so great part of town. Black guy does sort of make a fast move to get into the car, apparently to retrieve his licence, but the cop misinterprets it, believing the guy was going for a gun or something.

The cop freaked out. Does that make him a criminal? Not necessarily, but it does make him incompetent to say the least, and mostly at fault.

I was a little surprised that at least on the video, the guy was a little quick to dive into his car. I figure most minority males (like me), know better than to make quick moves like that when encountering LEO.

I have had a few encounters with police, and I can tell you that I don't "trust" them with their snap judgments, any more than I would trust the average idiot. I move in slow motion, that's for sure. Maybe one day I can talk about the experience I had of being pulled over, and having 4 cops pull their guns and all aim them at me. Moved like a sloth, I did that day...

[RegulatorCountry]

Was the driver even aware that an officer was going to request his license? He didn’t “dive” back into the vehicle, he’d barely stepped out the door and was still between the door and the interior of the vehicle.

There’s a reason Barney Fife only had one bullet. This high-strung officer demonstrates why. If the driver had “suddenly” reached for his wallet in his back pocket, Officer Hairtrigger would have shot him for that.

Good move, removing him from the force. He was clearly in the wrong and has no business carrying a gun, in uniform or out.

[markman46]

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