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1 posted on 09/25/2014 10:42:36 AM PDT by redreno
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Groubert's lawyer, Barney Giese, said the shooting was justified because the trooper feared for his life and the safety of others.

Because of incidents like these, I fear for my life whenever I encounter a cop, but that doesn't give me a license to shoot first. At least the State of South Carolina did the right thing by promptly terminating this scum.

54 posted on 09/25/2014 11:22:57 AM PDT by Labyrinthos
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Police: Cop was just following procedure.


56 posted on 09/25/2014 11:24:20 AM PDT by SkyDancer (I Was Told Nobody Is Perfect But Yet, Here I Am)
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Much like the recent police shooting of a black teenager in Ferguson, Missouri

The circumstances of the two shootings are not comparable. Mr. Jones was not rushing the officer and had not punched the officer already in the face.

Once an officer in a stop orders one to perform an action that requires some bodily movement then it is a shooting situation. If the driver moves to retrieve his wallet or to do anything else he is open to being shot. If he doesn't move he is in noncompliance and liable to be shot. The time is coming if we don't get a handle on this when the only rational response to being stopped by a police officer while in your car will be to try to shoot the officer before he shoots you.

58 posted on 09/25/2014 11:25:59 AM PDT by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's Economics In One Lesson ONLINE http://steshaw.org/economics-in-one-lesson/)
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Groubert is white and Jones is black, but neither state police nor the FBI keep detailed statistics on the races of people in officer-involved shootings.

The FBI figures below include the majority of all police departments. The point of this reply is to point out that whites are the most likely to die while being arrested. The Obama-Holder U.S. Dept. Just Us and the race-grievance industry will of course exploit this shooting to the max vis-a-vis race more than any concern for the poor victim.

The FBI stats show that whites are more likely to die while being arrested and IMO there is no doubt that some of those deaths were the intention of the police.

What about the larger number of whites and Arrest-Related Deaths (ARD)? Why is that okay with Obama, the race-grievance industry, and the media? We never see coverage of questionable ARDs involving whites that's anything close to Ferguson.

Arrest-Related Deaths, 2003-2009 - Statistical Tables

"From 2003 through 2009, a total of 4,813 deaths were reported to the Bureau of Justice Statistics’ (BJS) Arrest-Related Deaths (ARD) program."

Of these, about 6 in 10 deaths (2,931) were classified as homicide by law enforcement personnel, and 4 in 10 (1,882) were attributed to other manners of death.

Table 1 Number of reported arrest-related deaths, by manner of death, 2003-2009

Manner of death 2003-2009 2003 2004 2005 2006 2007 2008 2009
All manners 4,813 627 673 689 721 745 629 729
Homicide —by law enforcement 2,931 376 375 377 447 455 404 497
by other persons 27 3 4 4 2 7 3 4
Suicide 541 60 84 82 67 78 76 94
Intoxication 525 83 83 90 76 89 54 50
Accidental injury 272 53 41 47 39 35 28 29
Natural causes 244 26 46 32 34 42 33 31
Unknown 273 26 40 57 56 39 31 24
Note: Due to variation in reporting, caution should be used in comparing counts from year to year. See Methodology for information on missing data by state for each year. Counts may differ from previous publication due to additional information.

Table 5 Number of reported arrest-related deaths, by manner of death and demographic characteristics, 2003-2009

Demographic
characteristics
All manners Homicide Suicide Intoxication Accident Natural causes Unknown
Total 4,813 2,958 541 525 272 244 273
Sex
Male 4,594 2,851 517 490 259 218 259
Female 218 107 24 35 13 26 13
Unknown 1 0 0 0 0 0 1
Race/Hispanic origin
White, non-Hispanic 2,026 1,233 327 178 95 110 83
Black, non-Hispanic 1,529 937 80 217 111 85 99
Hispanic 949 599 110 109 55 29 47
Other* 150 107 12 17 4 4 6
Unknown 159 82 12 4 7 16 38
Age
17 or younger 127 99 6 5 13 0 4
18-24 909 685 80 53 54 10 27
25-34 1,391 893 140 177 65 41 75
35-44 1,238 658 159 190 78 66 87
45-54 752 390 105 84 45 75 53
55 or older 317 188 44 11 12 52 10
Unknown 79 45 7 5 5 0 17
*Includes American Indians, Alaska Natives, Asians, Native Hawaiians, other Pacific Islanders, and persons of two or more races.

To me this shows that it is not a racial thing. It happens to all races. These figures however do not show those thought "murdered" by police. I have not yet located data for recent years. Why can't I find data for recent years? I do not know.. maybe the Dept of Just Us and Race-Grievance Industry don't want it known that whites are the most likely to die being arrested.

63 posted on 09/25/2014 11:30:30 AM PDT by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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Check out the photo of that cop. Look at those cold, soulless eyes. Obviously the type who joined the police force for the sake of Authority, so that he could boss people around and legally hurt and/or kill them. He just happens to be the one who didn’t get away with it.


64 posted on 09/25/2014 11:31:19 AM PDT by jespasinthru (Proud member of the Vast Right-Wing Conspiracy)
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Well...Think about it...Why would this be news, unless the purpose was to incite further tension???

This has to be happening a LOT more than makes the news outside the immediate area...

The insane solution that you might not be surprised about is that some would champion Black cops for black civilian areas, and White cops, for white civilian areas...

Absolutely NO interracial contact to be made till an officer of the “right” color responds to the scene...

It would only make sense to the Jesse Jackson’s and Al Sharpton’s of the world...

Nevermind the “real” effectiveness of such an asinine solution, but that would be secondary to the overall problem fomented by the race pimps in the black community...

Yeah, I already know, I’ve been called a racist well before such incidents occur...

Yawn...

BTW, the cop DID act a little bit too quick on the application of deadly force in this situation...And now he is not the only one paying for it...


74 posted on 09/25/2014 11:44:05 AM PDT by stevie_d_64 (I will settle for a "perfectly good, gently used" kidney...Apply within...)
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Damn that was bad.
The guy, to me, didn't look like he was moving fast or doing anything threatening.
And to be shot at 4 times for just holding his wallet, cop totally panicked and in the wrong business.

An analogy to me would be, a salesman pulls in my driveway, reaches back into his car for brochures or a product and I draw down and shoot him because I thought he might have a weapon.
I'd be put under the jail.

81 posted on 09/25/2014 11:58:15 AM PDT by The Cajun (Ted Cruz, Sarah Palin, Mark Levin, Mike Lee, Louie Gohmert....Nuff said.)
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90 posted on 09/25/2014 12:21:57 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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I am going to disagree with most of you Ferguson rioters.

Once the motorist’s hands were hidden in the truck, the cop’s escalation to action was predictable.

Some of the follow-up shots are the problem, even though in those situations the shots are adrenaline driven.

Never let a cop lose sight of your hands. If you have to retrieve your license from inside the car, as in this case, you tell the cop so, and ask how he wants to proceed.

People make the serious mistake of assuming the cop is a mind reader and knows that you are a Nobel Peace Prize recipient and up for sainthood.


91 posted on 09/25/2014 12:23:21 PM PDT by School of Rational Thought
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92 posted on 09/25/2014 12:24:19 PM PDT by Psalm 73 ("Gentlemen, you can't fight in here - this is the War Room".)
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I think a lot of this stems from when ‘they’ decided 4 years of Military life as a big plus for going into Law Enforcement was trumped by a 20 yo with 2 years Junior College under his belt.

Also when the quals were tailored to fit a 5’5 120lb person and then expect a 6’4 220 to ‘work’ alongside of them.

When I got out in ‘64 I was looking into joining the Virginia State Police. I was 6’0 148 lbs and had 8 yrs in the Navy behind me.

They acknowledged they liked the fact I had Military attitude and bearing, had some real life experience, looked squared away etc BUT told me to go put some ‘meat on my bones’ - he then threw in - Proportionately, not ‘fatten up’ to get to a ‘desired weight’.

Granted a ‘recruiter’ probably wouldn’t have talked like that but I was dealing with a ‘working’ Sgt and in that era we weren’t in the habit of suing just because someone may have hurt your feelings. (By telling the truth).


95 posted on 09/25/2014 12:29:18 PM PDT by xrmusn ((6/98) Free people are not equal. Equal people are not free.)
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Here’ a longer video.........

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RBUUO_VFYMs

This cop is an absolute moron to the nth degree. I can’t believe this, he actually walked up to someone on private property and shot him.


97 posted on 09/25/2014 12:34:37 PM PDT by GrandJediMasterYoda (Hitlery: Incarnation of evil.)
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WTF?

Anybody ever google the video of Kyle Dinkheller’s murder by Andrew Brannan (effin’ POS)?

Eerily similar.....
I want to know what happened before the video started to get the cop to come over.


112 posted on 09/25/2014 12:46:02 PM PDT by Roman_War_Criminal
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Levar Jones' painful groans and then-Trooper Sean Groubert's reply — "Well you dove head first back into your car"

Anyone who states this cop should be fired answer this question:

How was the officer to know that once Jones came back out from the vehicle that he wasn't holding a gun himself ready to shoot the officer?

Anyone with half a brain knows by now that whenever you're stopped by a police officer you keep your damn' hands where the officer can see them so as not to establish yourself as a potential threat to the officer's safety first.

120 posted on 09/25/2014 12:51:17 PM PDT by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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Ping


155 posted on 09/25/2014 1:38:12 PM PDT by sport
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Groubert had stopped Jones on a seatbelt violation at a Columbia gas station


So, he wasn’t even on the road?

Bogus stop in the first place. Gee, I wonder if his license plate illumination light is in order...


160 posted on 09/25/2014 1:45:50 PM PDT by cuban leaf (The US will not survive the obama presidency. The world may not either.)
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Its pretty obvious what happened. I watched the video over and over, the long version too. My knee jerked plenty of times but in the end, it is quite apparent that the police officer simply panicked.

He stopped a black guy, in what looks to be a not so great part of town. Black guy does sort of make a fast move to get into the car, apparently to retrieve his licence, but the cop misinterprets it, believing the guy was going for a gun or something.

The cop freaked out. Does that make him a criminal? Not necessarily, but it does make him incompetent to say the least, and mostly at fault.

I was a little surprised that at least on the video, the guy was a little quick to dive into his car. I figure most minority males (like me), know better than to make quick moves like that when encountering LEO.

I have had a few encounters with police, and I can tell you that I don't "trust" them with their snap judgments, any more than I would trust the average idiot. I move in slow motion, that's for sure. Maybe one day I can talk about the experience I had of being pulled over, and having 4 cops pull their guns and all aim them at me. Moved like a sloth, I did that day...

165 posted on 09/25/2014 1:56:11 PM PDT by Paradox (and now here we are....)
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Was the driver even aware that an officer was going to request his license? He didn’t “dive” back into the vehicle, he’d barely stepped out the door and was still between the door and the interior of the vehicle.

There’s a reason Barney Fife only had one bullet. This high-strung officer demonstrates why. If the driver had “suddenly” reached for his wallet in his back pocket, Officer Hairtrigger would have shot him for that.

Good move, removing him from the force. He was clearly in the wrong and has no business carrying a gun, in uniform or out.


172 posted on 09/25/2014 2:19:37 PM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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193 posted on 09/25/2014 3:27:00 PM PDT by markman46 (engage brain before using keyboard!!!)
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219 posted on 09/25/2014 7:25:43 PM PDT by null and void (Only God Himself watches you more closely than the US government.)
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