Posted on 09/20/2014 5:54:47 PM PDT by narses
Ken are you asking if a non-catholic can be save?Yes they can.
Personal experience — one of my daughters.
He is a forgiving God
The question then becomes, was the marriage valid? If so, then nothing short of death terminates that.
Please don’t be angry. These are the kinds of questions that many non-Catholic people have about the Church. A lack of understanding leads to confusion and strife.
I asked my question out of a sense of curiosity and a genuine desire to understand how the Catholic Church would manage such a thing.
As the situation stands, the woman and the child would be without support. How does it benefit the child to prevent the mother from finding another husband and gaining support? Or is that something that the Church considers secondary and unimportant?
Harry was a good man and spoke to his Pastor before he died.He died a month ago.Was he saved-only God knows.I know the readings from the gospel.
“The Sheep and the Goats
…39’When did we see You sick, or in prison, and come to You?’ 40”The King will answer and say to them, ‘Truly I say to you, to the extent that you did it to one of these brothers of Mine, even the least of them, you did it to Me.’ 41”Then He will also say to those on His left, ‘Depart from Me, accursed ones, into the eternal fire which has been prepared for the devil and his angels;…”
Great. Then let’s just do away with marriage completely.
I think the annulment process needs to be amended to address the fact of no fault divorce. When a person is unable to defend themselves against being divorced keeping them from the Eucharist should they decide to marry again does seem harsh to me.
Well,in today’s world, being a bastard is no problem.
After all, Americans elected one as President in 2008 and then re-elected him again in 2012.
Annulment does not make a child illegitimate.
Agreed,They should look at this.
Why not?
An annulment states the marriage never existed.
If a child’s parents were never married, the child is illegitimate.
Or do you have some other definition of “illegitimate”?
Salvation and I... it's "complicated."
But that seems counterproductive. The man in this situation should bear 100% of the brunt of the trouble for doing this to his wife. She is now a single mother, through no fault of her own. If she meets a great guy that loves her son and wants to be with both of them, shouldn’t she be able to remarry without worrying about her immortal soul? Or she either cloisters herself and is alone forever, or she lives with the new man in sin.
None of these are acceptable to the reality of every day life.
What about shacking up with some dude, then? Is fornication a mortal sin?
I used the term "bastard," which implies something very different. The parents weren't sacramentally married at the time of birth.
Yes.
forgiveness??
asking God for forgiveness for things done wrong - and he does - it is one of the basic tenets of Christianity - look at the Lord’s Prayer, the Beatitudes, at Jesus hanging from the Cross saying, “Father forgive then, they know not what they do.”
I don't want this is the key phrase...wasn't really open to child bearing, didn't willingly enter into marriage in the first place...misunderstood what marriage entailed, was too immature to make an adult decision concerning marriage, ....the Catholic church investigates EVERY problem that the mRRIAGE CAN POSSIBLY HAVE HAD.....IF THERE Is (whoops)....reason that the marriage is not valid, they will rule......if there can be found no reason to annul...the marriage is valid and BOTH parties remain married.
That doesn’t mean you throw the Sacrament of Marriage out the window.
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