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Why Don't Police Shoot to Wound?
FindLaw Blotter ^ | August 19, 2014 8:06 AM | Brett Snider, Esq.

Posted on 08/20/2014 12:21:07 PM PDT by WhiskeyX

Police are often harshly criticized for their lethal use of firearms, giving many reason to wonder: Why don't police shoot to wound? That was CNN's Wolf Blitzer's question to legal scholar Jeffrey Toobin when discussing the shooting death of Ferguson, Missouri, teenager Michael Brown. "Why can't they shoot a warning shot?... Why can't they shoot to injure?" Blitzer queried.

To answer Blitzer's (and your) questions, here's a general overview of why police don't shoot to wound:

(Excerpt) Read more at blogs.findlaw.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: banglist; blitzer; brown; shooting
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To: Hugin

Oops. How about pistol? lol


101 posted on 08/20/2014 2:56:13 PM PDT by Fledermaus (Conservatives are all that's left to defend the Constitution. Dems hate it, and Repubs don't care.)
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To: dirtboy

I believe that he was shooting for center mass as he was trained to do. Hitting him 8-10” to the left of cm was probably due to his injury, adrenaline, speed of the attack an target presentation.


102 posted on 08/20/2014 2:56:19 PM PDT by Eagles6 (Valley Forge Redux. If not now, when? If not here, where? If not us then who?)
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To: WhiskeyX
I thought the author covered it pretty well. The simple answer is because you can't.

BTT

103 posted on 08/20/2014 3:00:59 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: Born to Conserve
That being said, I’ve come to distrust all employees of the government, and I fear for my life when I have to deal with armed ones

I am of the same opinion.

104 posted on 08/20/2014 3:03:31 PM PDT by EricT. (Everything not forbidden is compulsory.)
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To: WhiskeyX
"Why can't they shoot a warning shot?...

Better yet, just shoot the gun out of their hand like the Lone Ranger and all those other guys did.........

105 posted on 08/20/2014 3:05:06 PM PDT by Hot Tabasco (Is there such a thing as a vegan zombie?)
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To: C210N
The reason there were 4 bullets to the right arm was not due to “shooting to wound”,

Nonsense, the officer didn't realize that Brown was left handed............ /s

106 posted on 08/20/2014 3:07:15 PM PDT by Hot Tabasco (Is there such a thing as a vegan zombie?)
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To: WhiskeyX

Shoot to stop. Period.


107 posted on 08/20/2014 3:11:52 PM PDT by Organic Panic
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To: OldMissileer

I’m currently going through “diagnostics” teaching my wife to shoot. She jerks the gun in anticipation. She shoots way low at 7:00 but actually prints pretty tight.


108 posted on 08/20/2014 3:12:05 PM PDT by CrazyIvan (I lost my phased plasma rifle in a tragic hovercraft accident.)
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To: OldMissileer

This might be a little uncomfortable to read and follow, but you know that good strategy includes putting ourselves in the shoes of others. Otherwise, “pride” and all of that.

Take another look at the diagram in the examiner’s report. Hold your right arm down at your side and compare with the hit areas in the diagram. Then raise your right hand about halfway up, and notice the areas of the hits in the diagram again and the relationship to the area of the head. That’s going to be acted out and seen in a presentation in court.

Then, have a good listen to the following.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8GEmBhV8RB4

It’s doubtful that more than a dozen people were nearby, on that block, watching the actual incident happen. I lived in a much rougher neighborhood than Ferguson during the late 1970s, because it was much closer to work than where I lived before. There were over 300 unsolved homicides in that relatively small but densely populated city each year.

Did jury duty there, too. Most of the residents there were way against crime of any kind in their neighborhood, and only a handful of bad boys there (out of thousands) committed the violent crimes. Most of the residents talked with a different accent (southern accent but some of them with some different slang), but they weren’t really much different from those of other places I lived (the Ozarks, for example, and Texas).

Back to Ferguson...

The mystery caller, Josie, didn’t report that her friend’s “significant other,” Wilson, had any treatment or serious eye socket injury, even though the incident happened nine or ten days before her call.

A general report of injuries and physical condition of an injured policeman (I’m old fashioned) are commonly immediately reported by the press, even if without reporting his name. Why haven’t journalists published copies of the police report? Copies are routinely made available to the public. Where are the copies of his call to dispatch after the incident?


109 posted on 08/20/2014 3:15:15 PM PDT by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of corruption smelled around the planet.)
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To: carriage_hill

Yea, I’ve Netflixed all of them for the Little Crazy Woman. Tom’s one of the good guys. He gets it. I also like “Blue Bloods”


110 posted on 08/20/2014 3:22:42 PM PDT by AFreeBird
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To: WhiskeyX

Wolfie has watched too many Gary Cooper and John Wayne movies.


111 posted on 08/20/2014 3:26:10 PM PDT by 353FMG
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To: mabarker1
cause the thugs won't stand still?
112 posted on 08/20/2014 3:27:24 PM PDT by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -vvv- NO Pity for the LAZY - 86-44)
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To: B4Ranch
yup, fatal wounds seem to work best
113 posted on 08/20/2014 3:28:53 PM PDT by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -vvv- NO Pity for the LAZY - 86-44)
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To: OldMissileer

Something else noticeable from the diagram. There was a conspicuous lack of penetration from some rounds and a tendency to ricochet from others, given the number of rounds that hit. Also notice the probability of bone damage at the right eye socket with the media gossip in mind.

The only thing generally for sure about the whole spectacle, is that it’s looking messy and bad before court time—especially the likelihood of political consequences of much of the political gossip. Most voters are distrustful of both political parties, seeing bands of regulating groups of government-linked thieves, each socialist group trying to take funding from other groups.


114 posted on 08/20/2014 3:42:16 PM PDT by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of corruption smelled around the planet.)
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To: OldMissileer
"Way too many cops only fire their weapons for qualification and do not even try to do so on their own to make themselves truly proficient."

That's true. A long time ago, the federal eggheads recommended at least 50 rounds per month on the FBI-type range. But it appeared that some folks wouldn't fire well enough with a lifetime of training. There was just something about 'em. We saw that with many in the Army, too, both regular and reserve component, And in some units with rather socially oriented commanders, many of the most promoted individuals, although good at politics, were the least coordinated. ;-)


115 posted on 08/20/2014 3:49:57 PM PDT by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of corruption smelled around the planet.)
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To: WhiskeyX

if you’re shooting to wound you don’t need to shoot.

besides disparity of force arguments make this question ridiculous.


116 posted on 08/20/2014 3:53:32 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man ( Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: billhilly

Good points. Thanks


117 posted on 08/20/2014 3:55:41 PM PDT by Michael.SF. (It takes a gun to feed a village)
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To: dirtboy

You have to wonder if Liberals are capable of understanding the concept of self-defense.

It seems no amount of clear evidence to the effect if of the officers self-defensive actions will settle a people already determined not only to convict him but not even to wait for an investigation.

If the kid was shot in the black they would have a case, but he wasn’t, he was shot facing the cop, after a struggle.


118 posted on 08/20/2014 4:32:33 PM PDT by Monorprise
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To: familyop
There was a conspicuous lack of penetration from some rounds and a tendency to ricochet from others...

Just a personal story.

On one of my deer hunts I shot a nice buck. He walked out of the thick woods into the less dense woods and then just stood broadside to me about 60 paces away, his head was to the left as he was walking from my right to left. Anyway, the 180 grain Soft Point bullet hit him right through the heart and then hit the rib cage on the opposite side. The bullet then turned about 120 degrees right and about 45 degrees up, hit the spine and then deflected again to travel straight down his spine back to his hip where it turned 90 degrees again and exited his body on his right side through his right hind quarter (the side away from me). Needles to say he dropped like a rock dead as a doornail.

My point being bullets do crazy things once they enter a body. I know this was a high power 30 caliber round hand loaded and fired from my 30-06 but even pistol rounds do weird things even though they are not as powerful.

119 posted on 08/20/2014 5:04:58 PM PDT by OldMissileer
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To: Chode
Dang fidgeting crack heads
120 posted on 08/20/2014 5:05:24 PM PDT by mabarker1 (FYI)
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