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1 posted on 08/15/2014 2:53:20 PM PDT by Kaslin
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APRIL is the cruellest month, breeding
Lilacs out of the dead land, mixing
Memory and desire, stirring
Dull roots with spring rain.
Winter kept us warm, covering 5
Earth in forgetful snow, feeding
A little life with dried tubers.


2 posted on 08/15/2014 2:56:18 PM PDT by ClearCase_guy ("Harvey Dent, can we trust him?" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HBsdV--kLoQ)
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To: Kaslin

Here come the posters talking about how useless English majors are.


3 posted on 08/15/2014 2:56:23 PM PDT by Borges
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and economics, "the dismal science," is the top major at 26 of the nation's top 40 universities and colleges.

Heavy sigh...

Economics was dubbed "the dismal science" by Thomas Carlyle because the logic of free market capitalism argues against slavery. See Occasional Discourse on the Negro Question. There is nothing dismal about economics, unless you count the way economic concepts are twisted to promote government policies.

4 posted on 08/15/2014 3:00:55 PM PDT by SeeSharp
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The title of Field’s column is the mission statement for ALL of public education, only culminating at university level.

What do we care though? We’ve got to go to work, make money and go shop. Who possibly can fool off time with their kids to teach them, or home school them? Who really cares what they don’t learn?


6 posted on 08/15/2014 3:08:37 PM PDT by RitaOK ( VIVA CRISTO REY / Public education is the farm team fmore Marxists coming.)
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How about factoring in the immense costs of yearly tuition, living, predatory book costs, and then consider the strangling “STUDENT DEBT” that awaits them on graduation day.
No longer can the student hope to “work their way through college”. Such a plan would require work 34/7 (accurate type).
The accumulated debt REQUIRES the student to consider, on the first day of a college career, the burden of paying back those loans.
As far as the classics, one doesn’t need college to have the ambition and desire to be “educated”.


7 posted on 08/15/2014 3:20:18 PM PDT by CaptainAmiigaf ( N.Y. TIMES: "We print the news as it fits our views.")
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The truth is more complicated.

I am a nerd. I have worked with many nerds. Many of them have NO interest in literature or learning anything about Western culture. They may be very good in their narrow technical specialty, and they are frequently very good people...but they are not the sort to have a conversation about history or Dickens, and it would never occur to them to listen to classical music.

This does not make them bad people. Some were never properly exposed to these things, but some just don't have the temperament for it. Where would the world be without dedicated nerds?

Most nerds are baffled by people who know next to nothing about practical matters...people who cannot read maps...people who cannot set up color-coded DVD players...

I DO read history and I DO read classics...but that is just me.
8 posted on 08/15/2014 3:23:39 PM PDT by Nepeta
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I think Ms. Fields is confused.

The classics were killed, but not by computer science. They were killed by political correctness, deconstructionism and multiculturalism.

When your society’s classics are evil, who would want to study them, and why? What is the point of learning about The Good when your professors insist there is no such thing?


9 posted on 08/15/2014 3:27:38 PM PDT by Sherman Logan (Perception wins all the battles. Reality wins all the wars.)
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Sadly, the Classics were wonderful for students, when they didn't have to take out what amounts to a mortgage for the average college education.

But there is no reason for even those students who get a more technical education to not read the Classics on their own. Do they really need a professor expounding on the 'meaning' of what they've read? They could always read critiques, if they wanted someone to tell them what to think of the piece. They could also enjoy the Arts on their own, attending concerts, plays, etc, if they are so inclined.

When the price of a college education begins to fall, you might see more students spending more time on the Classics and the Arts.

13 posted on 08/15/2014 3:45:12 PM PDT by SuziQ
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An English program is a program for instilling hostilities against healthy behaviors. Masculine, healthy men are not allowed to graduate from English programs.


15 posted on 08/15/2014 3:50:19 PM PDT by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of corruption smelled around the planet.)
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In all fairness, society and our culture only *need* and want a tiny number of people versed in “the classics”, and most of those only if their jobs require that knowledge.

A superb example of this was William F. Buckley, Jr., who just oozed pretentiousness when injecting some statement in classical Latin by Julius Caesar while discussing contemporary politics, even though only 1 in 100,000 of his viewers had any appreciation for Latin or Julius Caesar.

Did this indicate Buckley was smart? Only in so far as he spent a lot of time studying Latin instead of other things, and used it not to illustrate and illuminate his arguments, but to obfuscate them.

If you examine what in past have been called “the classics”, you also find some serious deficiencies. That is, that while they are *colorful*, and influential in history, today their relevance is minimal. Old ideas that don’t matter much anymore.


16 posted on 08/15/2014 4:25:54 PM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy ("Don't compare me to the almighty, compare me to the alternative." -Obama, 09-24-11)
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There are a number of avenues for learning about literature, outside the class room, at least for gaining some knowledge in the form of a general survey of (insert) subject, most dealing with the development of western civilization. There are open courses online, and also options such as The Teaching Company, et al, who present some very good introductory lectures which include many classics.

People like myself who have limited formal education, can with little effort, and money, get a thumbnail education, in the arts and humanity as well as other disciplines, all of which, I find quite enjoyable. However, I’ve learned that much of recent “educational” experiments have been targeted towards discounting traditional Christian ethos, by stripping the meaning from our very experience of life. It seems to me that, twentieth century science and political theory, is at the forefront of this philosophical change.

Anyway, this is my limited observation, I wish that I had heeded the words of my elders, who told me, that it was my responsibility to get good grades in school. However, I was very hostile towards authority and also stubborn, so I waited until I left school to begin learning.


17 posted on 08/15/2014 4:36:51 PM PDT by notted
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Better learn business

Than to be force fed crap like

Maya Angelou

The English major in the sixties and even the early seventies was a decent major--you learned to write and think by studying great writers and thinkers. No point with what passes for the Modern Novel--I met an English master's degree a few years back…never read a play by Shakespeare--not one!!

22 posted on 08/15/2014 6:27:35 PM PDT by Mamzelle
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