Ukraine crisis: Rebel military chief Strelkov 'quits'

BBC ^ | 14 Aug 14 | Unknown

[elhombrelibre]

The military leader of pro-Russian rebels in the eastern Ukrainian city of Donetsk, Igor Girkin - known as Strelkov - has resigned.

Alexander Borodai, the former PM of the self-declared Donetsk People's Republic, confirmed the news but denied reports Mr Strelkov had been wounded.

[tcrlaf]

Reports that the “uspenka” border post is again under rebel control.

If true, all of the UK forces currently fighting around Krasni Luch, and “Snow” are cut off, and a new pocket has formed.

[McGruff]

The Russians living in the Ukraine who wish to be part of Russia simply need to move BACK to Russia

Ethnic cleansing “is a purposeful policy designed by one ethnic or religious group to remove by violent and terror-inspiring means the civilian population of another ethnic or religious group from certain geographic areas. (Commission of Experts Established Pursuant to United Nations Security Council Resolution 780)”.

[eleni121]

Not much there except lots of blather.

Official election? Words that mean nothing. More to the point you are misinformed (BIASED) but that is the least of your problems. In fact most polls (as flawed as they are) point to a distrust of the putschists in Kiev. But more importantly the people themselves want nothing to do the fascists in Kiev. And yes.. given the rebirth of Orthodoxy in Russia and Ukraine I am motivated by my faith.

[eleni121]

It is horrible to witness the Ukrainian fascists murdering at will...priests and kids...while Plugs Biden chatters with the fascists in Kiev.

[eleni121]

Lyashko—These scummy types in the fascist Kiev government recall the scum in the Nazi party in Germany...

[Pining_4_TX]

Agree, but the truth is not being told in the American media.

[Pining_4_TX]

The Crimea was part of Russia until 1954. I don’t get why people can’t secede from any country if that is what they want. Why should Ukraine be able to use force to keep that miserable country intact?

[Alas Babylon!]

You’re changing the location. You said Eastern Ukraine, which was what I was replying to, and now your saying Crimea. They are not the same thing.

Texas was part of Mexico until 1836. I’ve heard many a Mexican say, that California, Nevada, Arizona, Utah, New Mexico, Southern Colorado and Texas all belong to them, and they will take it all back. Except for Texas, all these states belonged to Mexico until 1846.

If we fight to prevent them taking over HERE, would you say “Why should the United States be able to use force to keep that miserable country intact?”

You do understand what I’m saying, don’t you? We can disagree on the Ukraine being a “good” country versus Russia, but the same arguments could be made about the dissolution of our own Republic.

[Alas Babylon!]

So, do you agree with the UN that we should let all these Central Americans walk into our country? They have a book about that, too.

Or is the USA ‘your’ country?

[Greetings_Puny_Humans]

As always you sound desperate...elections are not legitimate when most people don’t vote...kind of like here in the US.

Most people didn't vote? The red went to Poroshenko. The green to his Pro-Russian opponent. The grey is the only place no election was held due to Russia's intereference.

Freepers really need to think critically and to examine the claims of the Pro-Moscow crowd on FR. The best cure for them is to ask something like "Source your claim." Most of them cannot (because they make stuff up), or, if they can, they can only source RT which also reports that the United States is behind 9/11 or features guys like Alex Jones.

[Greetings_Puny_Humans]

Any PC gamer would fare better. Over 200 Kiev tanks destroyed so far, (no infantry to protect them), 10,000 KIA, 7000 MIA....encirclement after encirclement, it is unreal.

So not only do you imagine that "blackwater" is leading the war, but, apparently, you want us to believe Ukraine is losing and that there have been 10,000, or maybe even 17,000 killed? How about you provide a link, and, this time, not source from an anti-semite NWO website?

[Greetings_Puny_Humans]

No, I don’t trust any government. They all lie, and I don’t believe that in these complicated foreign conflicts there are good guys and bad guys.

You should keep your opinions to yourself if you think it's too complicated and none of our business.

As for your statement that the Ukrainians "negated" the first Presidential election. Their Rada did, with a vote of 335 (or around there) against a 125. They were elected in 2012 and had every right to do that. Furthermore, Yanukovych was a thief who looted billions from Ukraine, dismantled the military for his Russian overlords, and, before he fled, and even before the shootings, was using his riot police to kidnap and torture people, some of which is even filmed (if you want to see a naked guy being tortured in the snow, I can show it to you). I'll even add this: Yanukovych campaigned on a Pro-EU platform, to disconnect Ukraine from the Russian orbit, as Russia had even poisoned one of their previous leaders nearly killing him. But when Putin called he did a 180 like the chump he is, and then he used brutal methods to try to force the Ukrainians in line.

If you're not interested in the plight of freedom lovers in some other country, I wonder why you care about us here at home?

[Greetings_Puny_Humans]

In fact most polls (as flawed as they are) point to a distrust of the putschists in Kiev.

Yes, they distrust their government that it will return to Sovietism against their will, contrary to how they voted. They expect Poroshenko to do his job and save Ukraine from Russian aggression, which is what he campaigned and won on, which the majority of the country voted for. That does nothing to support your claim that most people in Ukraine, or even the native Russian speakers, want to be conquered. You want us to dismiss all the polls that show that separatism is only supported by a minority, but you want us to believe from those same polls that distrust of Kiev, like distrust of Congress, must mean they are anti-Ukrainian and want to be conquered by Putin where they would have no vote whatsoever.

But more importantly the people themselves want nothing to do the fascists in Kiev.

Poroshenko isn't a fascist, he is a moderate who founded a moderate Pro-European party, and the Russians even insult him as being a secret Jew, because they are so anti-Fascist you see that they're allowed to be antisemetic. And even Svoboda, which got 1 to 2 percent of the vote, does not campaign on being fascists, and even publicly campaign that they are moderating, though, secretly, you can accuse them of being closet fascists. Their actual platform is actually something like the Democratic party, including increasing minimum wage. They are, however, in a parlaimentary system, going to be represented, whether you like it or not.

[Greetings_Puny_Humans]

given the rebirth of Orthodoxy in Russia and Ukraine I am motivated by my faith.

So how's it feel to have a patriarch who is a "former" KGB agent, and fellow congregants who are Communists?

“In the first stages of Zyuganov’s creation of the Communist Party of the Russian Federation (not without some participation on my part, as well as Prokhanov…), efforts were made to interpret and conceptually appraise the presence of the national component in the Soviet worldview (National Bolshevism), but this initiative was abandoned by the leadership of the [Communist Party], which had occupied itself with some other matters…. However, on the level of rhetoric and first reactions, Russian Communists in all senses present themselves as confirmed national conservatives – sometimes even as ‘Orthodox Monarchists.’” - Alexander Dugin, The Fourth Political Theory

"The movement's ideology is a mixture of Russian nationalism with communism elements, giving Russia a messianist role in the global scale. Its principles are explained in The manifesto of the movement "Essence of Time".[1]

The manifesto declares that the crash of USSR was a great tragedy, caused specifically by some external "powers" that are now trying to bring Russia to its knees as well. The objective of the movement is to restitute USSR and take revenge on the "powers". Determining the reasons of USSR fall and identity of the "powers" responsible for that is considered key step in this process.

According to Kurginyan, capitalism is inherently incompatible with Russian historical and cultural heritage. Since the fall of USSR in 1991 "the capitalism in Russia has not built anything, and destroyed everything", but, fortunately, after 20 years, Russia slowly starts to "wake up". Fall of the USSR was just a part of a game, played by the capitalist world against "the history and humanity". Kurginyan considers his manifesto to be a new Marx Communist manifesto, analysis of new bourgeoisie, whose nature has evolved since Marx's time.

The movement is grounded in modern philosophy and incorporates the ideas of Karl Marx, Max Weber, Erich Fromm, Antonio Gramsci, Alexander Bogdanov, Viktor Frankl, and others. One of the main principles of the movement's ideology is the ascription of great importance to the human spirit as a philosophical category, which is considered to be linked directly to the question of the ascent of humanity. The project subscribes to conception of above modernity (in Russian сверхмодерн or sverkhmodern), not to be confused with post-modernity, and on this principle hopes to build a new historical project for Russia. The project conceives of a great historical role for Russia in moving the world out of the global crisis of capitalism, based on the country's experience of alternatives to capitalist modernity and so-called post-modernity).

The movement seeks to unite people with socialist and communist political views as well as those with patriotic views and Orthodox Christian values, hoping on this basis to create a spiritual synthesis."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Essence_of_Time_(movement)

[McGruff]

[KOZ.]

“Rebel military chief Strelkov ‘quits’”

10 bucks says he’s posting on FR.

[1rudeboy]

What are the odds of him posting on this thread, I wonder?

[MadMax, the Grinning Reaper]

#32: John Belushi would say “FOOD FIGHT!”

[Greetings_Puny_Humans]

And yet Yanukovych ran on a Pro-EU platform, and Kiev is itself a Russian speaking city. Why you insist on spreading this disinformation in asking us to believe that every Russian speaker supports Russia, despite all the evidence to the contrary, is not explainable for ordinary people, although I have corrected you on this dozens of times at this point.

[Greetings_Puny_Humans]

Strelkov is likely dead. The "separatists" reported his injury, then later denied he was injured, then later said his injury was unconfirmed, then later said he was not injured and that he is resigning.

Another "separatist" leader in Lugahsnk recently resigned due to an injury, except he did it on video.

If Strelkov was okay, and heard reports that he was badly injured and in "critical condition," but needed to resign for some other reason, then he'd have done a conference too, which hasn't happened yet. If none come within the next few days, Strelkov likely either got shot by a Ukrainian or shanked by a FSB agent.