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To: Pining_4_TX
No, I don’t trust any government. They all lie, and I don’t believe that in these complicated foreign conflicts there are good guys and bad guys.

You should keep your opinions to yourself if you think it's too complicated and none of our business.

As for your statement that the Ukrainians "negated" the first Presidential election. Their Rada did, with a vote of 335 (or around there) against a 125. They were elected in 2012 and had every right to do that. Furthermore, Yanukovych was a thief who looted billions from Ukraine, dismantled the military for his Russian overlords, and, before he fled, and even before the shootings, was using his riot police to kidnap and torture people, some of which is even filmed (if you want to see a naked guy being tortured in the snow, I can show it to you). I'll even add this: Yanukovych campaigned on a Pro-EU platform, to disconnect Ukraine from the Russian orbit, as Russia had even poisoned one of their previous leaders nearly killing him. But when Putin called he did a 180 like the chump he is, and then he used brutal methods to try to force the Ukrainians in line.

If you're not interested in the plight of freedom lovers in some other country, I wonder why you care about us here at home?

112 posted on 08/14/2014 3:49:23 PM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans

~Yanukovych was a thief who looted billions from Ukraine, dismantled the military~

Keep spreading Kiev propaganda? How was a Ukrainian military before Yanukovych? The answer is there was no military for 23 years and counting, instead there was a garage sale, pushing their advanced assets to rogue regimes and non-governmental actors at bargain prices. You say Ukraine should have kept nukes at the time. Many of these could detonate in US on 9/11 in this case.
As for Yanukovych stealing money you say it like it is not a norm for the Ukraine. You won’t get a license plane without a bribe there.


123 posted on 08/14/2014 5:17:30 PM PDT by wetphoenix
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans

Nonsense. This forum is about discussing opinions. Second, the US is broke, our country is being lost, and we if we don’t take care of our debt and our borders, there won’t be any US power to use.

Military people are committing suicide in increasing numbers. How far do you think we can push them and their families? We have sent people into conflicts that have lasted over a decade and keep sending them 3,4,5 times or more.


150 posted on 08/16/2014 10:34:09 AM PDT by Pining_4_TX (All those who were appointed to eternal life believed. Acts 13:48)
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