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Prepare for a Long War Against the Islamic State
Townhall.com ^ | August 13, 2014 | Jonah Goldberg

Posted on 08/13/2014 9:36:32 AM PDT by Kaslin

The hawks (including me) were wrong about a lot, but some got one thing right. It's going to be a long war.

In the early days after 9/11 there was a lot of talk about a "clash of civilizations" and a long "existential struggle" facing the West. I once asked the late Christopher Hitchens what he felt on that terrible day, and he said he felt no small amount of joy. Not for the suffering and death, but for the fact that the West finally had been awakened to the terrible but necessary struggle before us.

And for a time, many liberals bought into the idea that America was heading into a generational struggle with jihadism. There were a slew of books on the subject. Peter Beinart, for instance, wrote "The Good Fight: Why Liberals -- and Only Liberals -- Can Win the War on Terror and Make America Great Again." As the subtitle suggests, there was a lot of partisan mischief in his argument, but it rested on the premise that liberals must accept that "Islamic totalitarianism" -- his phrase -- has replaced communism as our enemy. On this, at least, Beinart and company, briefly agreed with George W. Bush that the war against "Islamic fascists" (Bush's term) was the "decisive ideological struggle of the 21st century."

That consensus evaporated in the hot rage ignited by the Iraq war. By the time President Obama was elected, even the war in Afghanistan -- once the good war according to most Iraq war critics -- had become an emotional albatross. Tellingly, among Obama's first executive orders was one to close the prison at Guantanamo Bay as quickly as possible.

This was a triumph for the new enlightened consensus that the war on terror wasn't really a war at all. In 2007, retired Gen. Wesley Clark co-authored an op-ed for the New York Times ridiculing the idea that Al Qaeda was a military enemy. "Labeling its members as combatants elevates its cause and gives Al Qaeda an undeserved status," he argued. The "more appropriate designation for terrorists is not 'unlawful combatant' but the one long used by the United States: criminal."

Although Obama has tried to move captured terrorists into the domestic criminal justice system, to his credit, he never fully bought into this argument. Still, he cast terrorism as a manageable problem for the experts, not a civilizational struggle. Zeus-like, he personally went over his kill lists, selecting which enemies should be dispatched with a drone strike or, in the case of Osama bin Laden, the furies of SEAL Team 6.

When new threats emerged, the White House dismissed them with the whitewash that "core Al Qaeda" was "on the run." All pretenders to Al Qaeda's mantle were little more than a "jayvee" squad, as Obama put it. It's OK to slumber again was the message.

One jayvee squad -- the self-styled Islamic State formerly known as the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria, or ISIS -- now controls the territorial equivalent of Britain and is one of the best-equipped and ideologically committed military forces in the Middle East. Everyday jihadis -- many with Western passports -- enlist in the struggle to create a global caliphate while the "Muslim street" from Turkey to Saudi Arabia follows the Islamic State like a sports team.

The Islamic State's atrocities are too numerous and too horrible to list here. It includes rape and slavery, religious cleansing, mass murder, public crucifixions and beheadings. Over the weekend, an Iraq official said that the Islamic State had killed at least 500 Iraqi Yazidis, burying some alive, including women and children. The group is only too happy to tweet about all of it.

Watch Vice TV's reports from Islamic State-controlled parts of Syria and you will quickly see how the word "criminal" is morally, logically and strategically inadequate. They indoctrinate children to become jihadists and suicide bombers. They vow to fly their black flag over the White House.

Pentagon officials told NBC's Jim Miklaszewski that they see the Islamic State as a "10- to 20-year challenge." I hope that's pessimistic. But it's simply realistic that the ideological agenda driving these jihadis will present a challenge for far longer than that.

No one in the West wants a generational struggle with jihadism any more than Israel wants perpetual war with Hamas in Gaza. The problem is the enemy always gets a vote. It just may be that the Middle East will become the West's Gaza. And, so far, nobody has a good answer for what to do about it.


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KEYWORDS: globaljihad; iraq; isis; islamicstate
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1 posted on 08/13/2014 9:36:32 AM PDT by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin; All

In Vietnam, General Westmoreland rejected US Military Science of real estate, Real Estate, REAL ESTATE by inventing the failed boondoggle of SEARCH AND DESTROY.

Always eager to conform the World into the World view of their former Harvard Professors, Harvard graduates GWB and BHO invented the failed boondoggles of SHOCK AND AWE, and WHACK A MOLE, respectively.

Both are derivatives of the failed Search and Destroy boondoggle.

BTW, should Ivy-League graduates be prohibited from running for any National Political office?


2 posted on 08/13/2014 9:38:26 AM PDT by Graewoulf (Democrats' Obamacare Socialist Health Insur. Tax violates U.S. Constitution AND Anti-Trust Law.)
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To: Kaslin

I don’t understand the “prepare for” statement. The war isn’t just starting. We have been in a war with the Islamic State for at least a decade. We remember, then forget, then remember again at times like this. Until they come to America and start crucifying Christians, homosexuals, athiests and other infidels on the street, America will go along dumb and happy.


3 posted on 08/13/2014 9:38:55 AM PDT by Opinionated Blowhard ("When the people find they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic.")
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To: Kaslin

Time for a 21st Century Crusade. And this time finish the job.


4 posted on 08/13/2014 9:39:28 AM PDT by clintonh8r (It's possible to love your country and hate your government. I'm proof of it.)
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To: Kaslin
Put me in absolute command of a couple of thousand fully equipped Marines and I'll solve the problem in less than a week.

Of course after the dust has settled Western leftists will want me strung up for "war crimes".

5 posted on 08/13/2014 9:40:54 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Rat Party policy;Lie,deny,refuse to comply)
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To: Kaslin

Prepare for a Long War Against the Islamic State

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Not our problem. Not anymore. Over a decade of Americans on the ground in Shitcanistan have resulted in nothing. Absolutely nothing.

I do not agree with Isolationism, but it is high time we let these muslim facists do what they want. In their own backyard.


6 posted on 08/13/2014 9:42:21 AM PDT by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: Kaslin

After 9/11 I said this could take 50 years or more. I’m more confident in that prediction than ever.


7 posted on 08/13/2014 9:42:50 AM PDT by cuban leaf (The US will not survive the obama presidency. The world may not either.)
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To: clintonh8r
Time for a 21st Century Crusade. And this time finish the job.

It's stuff like this that makes me dream of a day when every moslem male on earth is lined up and gets two....nope,can't go any further.Don't wanna be banned.

8 posted on 08/13/2014 9:43:17 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Rat Party policy;Lie,deny,refuse to comply)
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To: clintonh8r
We almost had the job finished, the dominos were beginning to fall. Iran was ready to throw out their crazies; Barry sided with the crazies and the green revolution wilted. Since then the entire middle east has gone even farther into hell.

Now watch for phase II of the jehad. With the open border to our south does anyone want to guess what might happen on 9/11?

9 posted on 08/13/2014 9:44:24 AM PDT by logic101.net (How many more children must die on the altar of gun free zones?)
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To: Kaslin

It would be shorter if we would quit funding them. We need a strong advocate of Israel in the White House.


10 posted on 08/13/2014 9:45:00 AM PDT by DannyTN (I)
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To: Opinionated Blowhard

Remember when President Bush said that this is going to be war that has never been fought before and it’s going to be a long war? I remember it, like as if he said it last night


11 posted on 08/13/2014 9:45:30 AM PDT by Kaslin (He needed the ignorant to reelect him, and he got them. Now we all have to pay the consequenses)
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To: Kaslin

GWB quotes right after 9/11: http://truthandarttv.com/read_91015

Germane to the thread.


12 posted on 08/13/2014 9:46:10 AM PDT by cuban leaf (The US will not survive the obama presidency. The world may not either.)
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To: Responsibility2nd

“In their own backyard.”

Problem is through their own statements they are not interested in staying in their own backyard. They will be here as soon as they can.


13 posted on 08/13/2014 9:48:03 AM PDT by Parley Baer
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To: Kaslin

This war is going to require wiping them out.

There is no negotiating.

They have very little (if any) humanity.

They are morally corrupt.

They will not stop.

They will have to be wiped out.

And I don’t give two chits what Peter Bienart thinks. He is a repulsive and dishonest hyper-partisan. Dismissed!


14 posted on 08/13/2014 9:49:14 AM PDT by sauropod (Fat Bottomed Girl: "What difference, at this point, does it make?")
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To: Parley Baer

bttt


15 posted on 08/13/2014 9:49:45 AM PDT by ConservativeMan55 (In America, we don't do pin pricks. But sometimes we elect them.)
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To: Kaslin

We don’t have the stomach for a long war against these people. They do have the stomach for a long war against us.

We won’t develop the stomach until they come here, if it’s not too late.


16 posted on 08/13/2014 9:52:06 AM PDT by 22202NOVA (Tagline? I don't need no stinking tagline!)
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To: sauropod
This war is going to require wiping them out.

Please define "them" and "wiping out."

17 posted on 08/13/2014 9:52:06 AM PDT by Sherman Logan (Perception wins all the battles. Reality wins all the wars.)
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To: Kaslin
The following site stays on top of this, often with several posts every day, it is called "The Long War Journal"

http://www.longwarjournal.org/threat-matrix/

18 posted on 08/13/2014 9:52:27 AM PDT by PoloSec ( Believe the Gospel: how that Christ died for our sins, was buried and rose again)
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To: Kaslin
Pentagon officials told NBC's Jim Miklaszewski that they see the Islamic State as a "10- to 20-year challenge." I hope that's pessimistic.

Those officials are either stupid or trying to be politically correct. Why stop at 10 or 20 years? This can be solved within a year by recognizing these people are the modern equivalent of those who supported Tojo / Mussolini and Hitler and need to be killed. This should not take 10 to 20 years to accomplish....

19 posted on 08/13/2014 9:52:37 AM PDT by capydick (''Life's tough.......it's even tougher if you're stupid.'')
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To: Kaslin

This war will be a failure if we do not admit that it is an idealogical war against Islam, not “radical Islam” but Islam pure and simple. Is there a military component to this war? Yes, but it must primarily be one of ideas. Islam itself must be discredited. Otherwise this “long war” will be a permanent war.


20 posted on 08/13/2014 9:53:43 AM PDT by Petrosius
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