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To: manc; B4Ranch

Hi Manc!

They can try to ban whatever they want. Pandora already left the box.

People will buy them anyway, will ALWAYS find a way to get what they want, and to use a favorite liberal line: “This is what DEMOCRACY looks like!”

Besides - the Supreme Court already decided that “military-style weapons”, etc., are indeed protected by the 2A. United States versus Miller 1939.


217 posted on 08/13/2014 4:47:20 AM PDT by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: NFHale

Hi NF.
These judges are out of order and out of control. I think the question is. Will this get worse or better?


218 posted on 08/13/2014 4:49:10 AM PDT by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: NFHale
-- the Supreme Court already decided that "military-style weapons", etc., are indeed protected by the 2A. United States versus Miller 1939. --

When he wrote the Heller opinion, Scalia transmogrified the Miller case. Courts are wont to cite to the part of the case that suits their predetermined outcome, so the Miller case will henceforth stand for the proposition ...

We may as well consider at this point (for we will have to consider eventually) what types of weapons Miller permits. Read in isolation, Miller's phrase "part of ordinary military equipment" could mean that only those weapons useful in warfare are protected. That would be a startling reading of the opinion, since it would mean that the National Firearms Act's restrictions on machineguns (not challenged in Miller) might be unconstitutional, machineguns being useful in warfare in 1939. We think that Miller's "ordinary military equipment" language must be read in tandem with what comes after: "[O]rdinarily when called for [militia] service [able-bodied] men were expected to appear bearing arms supplied by themselves and of the kind in common use at the time." 307 U. S., at 179. The traditional militia was formed from a pool of men bringing arms "in common use at the time" for lawful purposes like self-defense. "In the colonial and revolutionary war era, [small-arms] weapons used by militiamen and weapons used in defense of person and home were one and the same." State v. Kessler, 289 Ore. 359, 368, 614 P. 2d 94, 98 (1980) (citing G. Neumann, Swords and Blades of the American Revolution 6-15, 252-254 (1973)). Indeed, that is precisely the way in which the Second Amendment's operative clause furthers the purpose announced in its preface. We therefore read Miller to say only that the Second Amendment does not protect those weapons not typically possessed by law-abiding citizens for lawful purposes, such as short-barreled shotguns. That accords with the historical understanding of the scope of the right, see Part III, infra. ...

It may be objected that if weapons that are most useful in military service -- M-16 rifles and the like -- may be banned, then the Second Amendment right is completely detached from the prefatory clause. But as we have said, the conception of the militia at the time of the Second Amendment's ratification was the body of all citizens capable of military service, who would bring the sorts of lawful weapons that they possessed at home to militia duty. It may well be true today that a militia, to be as effective as militias in the 18th century, would require sophisticated arms that are highly unusual in society at large. Indeed, it may be true that no amount of small arms could be useful against modern-day bombers and tanks. But the fact that modern developments have limited the degree of fit between the prefatory clause and the protected right cannot change our interpretation of the right.


234 posted on 08/13/2014 6:40:55 AM PDT by Cboldt
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To: NFHale
Besides - the Supreme Court already decided that “military-style weapons”, etc., are indeed protected by the 2A. United States versus Miller 1939.

Courts can change their ruling, only you are bound by precedent.

280 posted on 08/13/2014 11:46:56 AM PDT by itsahoot (Voting for a Progressive RINO is the same as voting for any other Tyrant.)
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