i heard that...
Posted on 08/11/2014 8:32:33 PM PDT by grundle
SAN FRANCISCO (AP) — A hostage kidnapped during a Northern California bank robbery was killed by police in an ensuing chase and shootout, likely during a final gunbattle where the lone surviving suspect used her as a human shield, authorities said Monday.
The results of a preliminary ballistics report show that police in the city of Stockton fired the 10 bullets that struck Misty Holt-Singh, 41, and all her wounds likely came during a final burst of gunfire, Stockton Police Chief Eric Jones said at a news conference.
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No, that isn’t a good example of your wild claim, “””Why did the police allow the final suspect to even survive? In times past police would have finished him off without a second thought.”””
Breakage . . . what do you want, right?
Got to call my union delegate now, see if I can score some free Dodger tix.
Oh, and can you jab me in the ass with this syringe? I hate reaching around.
We have a town around here whose police force's motto is "Solve the Problem." I kid you not.
Here’s the crux of the issue: thanks to things like Columbine and VA Tech cops today are trained to something called “Active Shooter” which is a highly aggressive methology designed to eliminate the threat. Cops are no longer trained to back off, but rather to assume that a shooter is going to keep on shooting, and killing, until he runs out of weapons and ammo.
It’s a completely suck-a** situation to be in, there are no good options, only degrees of bad ones. And hindsight is always 20/20. Assume for a moment that the cops had backed off and the shooters had gone into an elementary school and taken kids hostage and started shooting them. A LOT of critics out here would be arguing that the cops should have taken whatever shots they could have, even if it meant trading the life of a single adult hostage for multiple kids.
Now thats just hypothetical, and we should wait for all the details to come out on what’s looking like a pretty complicated scenario.
Less paperwork, no doubt.
i heard that...
it was a sarcastic remark... nothing more, look at the reply
1995 isn’t that distant past of the 50s and 60s, even if you can claim that was a summary execution.
Go Google up how many civilians the FBI managed to shoot when they brought Dillinger down. Cops are just fine with “collateral damage”.
Then there was the time the Philly cops managed to burn down an entire neighborhood back in 78.
Or Waco, or Ruby Ridge.
Cops are stone cold killers. And they’ll get away with it 99 times out of a hundred.
“cops today are trained to something called “Active Shooter” which is a highly aggressive methology”
Maybe that is part of the problem? A one strategy fits all for such events. And backing off isn’t the same as abandoning the situation. It is just the concept of “Don’t push them into a hasty decision.” Don’t make it worse because your way of thinking is, “I’ve got to do something NOW!”
These weren’t columbine style killers. They were bank robbers. I suspect they wanted to live. Give them time to think, instead of react, and surrender can look a lot more appealing.
“And hindsight is always 20/20.”
Maybe, but most of us live with our decisions under that issue. And hindsight is also for learning from mistakes, not ignoring and repeating them. That is something cops are good at, repeating the same mistakes over and over.
As for your part about them MAYBE going into a school? Sorry, but hypotheticals are not justification for extreme actions. “What if’s” can be done to death, and justify anything.
And we are talking about ten shots into the hostage. We’ve seen shootings where the criminals didn’t get ten shots. That is a clear indication they didn’t even try to save her.
They had options. Even if they just had no choice but to shoot, they easily could have controlled their rate of fire for better accuracy.
And the guy who was using her? How big a threat was he really? How well can you shoot while trying to hold a squirming screaming, terrified woman in front of you?
All modern and the incident in Philadelphia had nothing to do with the discussion, nor does Waco, or Ruby Ridge, two of those don’t even involve city police.
Chode & I make the jests that some FReepers aren’t allowed to...
When the police arrived, instead of clearing out all the surrounding rooms first, the cops banged on the door, and when the guy ran out with his gun, the cops shot up the place. They fired 21 rounds, and managed to hit the guy ONCE as he ran out the door. The Gunman never fired one shot on the way out to his vehicle. That's right, he never fired even ONE shot.
The police, however, managed to shoot each other, and they also put three rounds into an adjacent hotel room, where a family of three were watching TV. They luckily missed all the innocent people, and with a slight grazing wound to one if the officers, and one bullet riddled television set, they finally caught the guy with a spike strip, twenty miles away.
Police marksmanship is a joke. They are trigger happy idiots; with a “spray and pray” mentality. Look at Jonathon Ferrell and the Lopez kid, both gunned down by cops emptying their magazines, in both cases forensics showed that rounds were entering the bodies after they were already on the ground. This spray and pray mentality needs to change, but it won't change as long as the populace in general makes idiotic excuses for it.
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The poor woman.
Damn right poor woman.
IF we had a border, these illegals wouldn’t be in the country in the first place and this wouldn’t have been her last day on earth.
I’m telling you all, if our rulers were affected by this stuff, they would shut down the border toot suite.
“Why did the police allow the final suspect to even survive?”
Professional courtesy?
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