Posted on 07/23/2014 8:53:22 PM PDT by tcrlaf
The Communist Party of Ukraine will cease to exist on Thursday, the speaker of Ukraine's parliament announced.
"We only have to tolerate this party for another day," Verkhovnaya Rada speaker Oleksandr Turchinov said on Wednesday in comments carried by online news portal Ostro.org.
Discussion of the Communist Party's dissolution began in earnest in May, after party leader Petro Simonenko said that if he were in charge of the country, he would immediately call back the troops from eastern Ukraine, referring to the military operations taking place there as acts of "war against the people," RIA Novosti reported.
Turchinov, who was serving at the time as acting president, then appealed to the Justice Ministry to request an investigation into the Communist Party's activities.
Russia's State Duma denounced the move at the time, viewing it as an attempt by the new Kiev authorities to "force political and civil forces that do not agree with the path taken by the ultranationalist powers to shut up," according to RIA Novosti.
The Verkhovnaya Rada paved the way for the party's dissolution on Tuesday by amending its rules to vest the speaker of the house with power to dissolve the Communist Party. On Tuesday evening, President Petro Poroshenko signed a bill giving effect to the new regulations.
Turchinov's announcement was made on Wednesday morning amid heavy infighting.
Speaking before his fellow parliamentarians, Simonenko made a statement about Ukraine's security services having allegedly "destroyed" citizens for black-market organ transplants, Interfax reported, citing members of the nationalist Svoboda Party.
Svoboda Party members then accused Simonenko of disseminating false information, and endeavored to physically eject him from the parliament.
An all-out brawl promptly ensued.
Amid the chaos, Turchinov exercised his new powers to announce the party's impending dissolution, before calling for a 15-minute break so deputies could calm down. Following the news, all of the Communist Party members present at the time then reportedly walked out.
~...First they came for the communists, and I did not speak out - because I was not a communist;
Then they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out - because I was not a socialist;
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out - because I was not a trade unionist;
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out - because I was not a Jew;
Then they came for me - and there was no one left to speak out for me....
Martin Niemöller~
Good. The Ukrainians should ban the Party of Regions and the Communist Party and desovietify their country.
Nuland’s leaked conversation shows that she supported Yatseniuk, not Svoboda, not Right Sector. So your claim is a lie.
You want to smear Ukraine with a false charge that Obama was behind the uprising that overthrew Yanukovich. Thay’s not true. Obama had nothing to do with it. Obama’s state department meddled only in the creation of the government which came about as a result of the protests. Obama did not instigate the protests and now he refuses to arm Ukraine against the Russian terrorists.
Your “superficial” knowledge of the pre-Maydan period betrays you. Ukraine was going to blow regardless, and Yanukovych did FAR more to fan the flames than anything the US could have dreamt up.
On the other hand, if all outside actors and war materials left Ukraine, the Civil War would be over quickly. Only one side is getting significant assistance at present.
Right.
Whatever Nulands involvement, the accusations came from Russia. It was phone intercept they used as propaganda.
The US position has always been to prop up the side that is anti-Russian. That is not going to change and it should not surprise anyone at all...
The stuff about the Neo Nazis was also blown up far beyond it’s importance is a effort by pro-Russian media and others who ran with the story. It just counter intel propaganda endlessly repeated until it is believed to be true.
It’s not a cost issue either. this is chump change and rhetoric on our part.
The removal of the Russian sock puppet was going to happen with or without us, but I can assume we did some intervention to make sure he was not executed or accidently killed.
Again, attacking the US position simply because a incompetent boob is sitting in the White House when he’s not fundraising or golfing, is not a very valid reason to attack the US policy which is long standing before Bozo and post Bozo.
Good post, but I disagree somewhat about Vietnam. Yes, we lost that country to Communism, but we slowed the Communists greatly, and cost them greatly as well. The tragedy is that we had victory in our hands more than once, and a lot of South Vietnamese paid an awful price for siding with us.
“Ukraine was going to blow regardless,”
Please feel free to check my posting history. I have often said that Ukraine was a failed and corrupt Mafia-run state, posing as a country, before the Maidan ever happened, with civil unrest barely beneath the surface. And it has been that way since the Soviet breakup.
Stories posted on FR over the last decade+ prove it, as well.
” if all outside actors and war materials left Ukraine”
MASSIVE quantities of war materials were literally just left lying around Ukraine, in vast storage areas, since the Soviet breakup. Black Market trading of this stuff was big business for the mafias.
In the Southeast of Ukraine, there were at least two large Soviet Storage depots that could outfit 7-10 DIVISIONS of Infantry and armor. (Volodarsky, Kharkov, and Artemvisk)
The areas around Slavyansk and Syeverodonetsk were the mobilization rally points for several third-tier Soviet Divisions, should the balloon ever have went up. (read up on your Clancy, and look at the rail maps.)
The rebels took control of Volodarsky early on, but never managed to take control of the Armor storage facility at Artemvisk.
“Only one side is getting significant assistance at present.”
The US taxpayer directly, through Obama, and the IMF (again, the US taxpayer) has already given Kiev billions, that they are using to buy arms all over the place, (especially Georgia and Bulgaria).
All of this can be verified by articles previously posted on FR.
So again, where is the evidence that the USA supported violent elements of the maidan?
You won't present any evidence because there is none. It's a lie you made up.
“You did that because you don’t have a single good source to back up your claim”
I did that because the sources are NUMEROUS, and I have posted them before, but you again just choose to ignore them, so I won’t waste my time doing it again.
By the way, my condolences on your inability to do an internet search on your own. It must be very debilitating.
You are a liar and a fraud. You smear Ukrainan and American patriots in the service of America's communist and Russian enemies.
God damn you!
“The stuff about the Neo Nazis was also blown up far beyond it’s importance”
I don’t think so.
It is undeniable that they are the ones that brought the violence to the Maidan, and it is also undeniable that they have acted as strongmen for the Regime ever since.
The several Right-Sector militias now operating in the Southeast are supposedly “beyond Kiev’s control”, and have been used to terrorize the population, as the Odessa and Mariupol massacres, and the election day killings clearly demonstrate.
Those same Right-Sector militias have been a major cause of discord within the rebels, with the Ukrainian-born Bezler wanting to go after them first, instead of following the larger goals of Strelkov.
(it should be noted that Bezler has had some success at this, decimating two of the Right-Sector battalions so badly, that they are now recruiting foreigners to fight for them.)
lol...
Any more childish names you would like to call me, for following where the facts have led me??
How much is EuromaidanPR paying you, anyway? It can’t be much, since nobody else in Kiev is getting paid, either.
What’s you source for those claims? They sound like more goddamn Russian commie lies to me.
How dare you defend goddamn foreign communists here on FReerepublic?
lol..
The Russians sure think she did.
http://www.bing.com/search?q=nuland%20support%20right%20sector&qs=n&form=QBRE&pq=nuland%20support%20right%20sector&sc=0-11&sp=-1&sk=&cvid=3cc04fec5fd44c9181b277cbdd150d41
Again, my condolences on your inability to use internet searches.
You have no facts and if you did you could prove them. You don’t present your evidence here because you’re a liar.
You just say that you already did prove it and so you wwon’t do it again, but you never did in the first place. That is truly the tactic if a communist liar.
“What’s you source for those claims?”
The several dozens of articles posted on FR since February?
Maybe you should just throw out another childish insult, since that appears to be your calling card to anyone that isn’t swallowing Kiev propaganda whole.
Well, I’m crossing my fingers about the “post-Bozo”, though I must say Putin is giving the West a good lesson on at least one reason we should maintain a firm stance. Hopefully those who need to learn are doing so.
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