Posted on 07/15/2014 10:21:09 PM PDT by quesney
Robert E. Lee was one of the finest Americans who ever lived.
Robert E. Lee was the US Army officer in charge at the arrest of John Brown.
I believe the Civil War was the price we had to pay in blood for the sin of slavery in a free republic.
That said, my studies say the route to war was not over the issue of slavery itself - but rather the right of individual states to resist an encroaching federal power.
Hinton Rowan Helper’s idea to impose a federal tax on slaves and then cotton itself - was seen as a mechanism to do two things: tax slavery out of existence, and punish states that did not follow Federal dictates - (Obamacare anyone?)
The South saw this as an infringement on their 10th Amendment rights and the argument became centered on Federal power versus State power. It ultimately led to the decision by the Federal beast that states had no right to resist nor secede.
Much of what Robert E. Lee wrote as to the reasons for his refusal to take command of the Union Army corroborate that fact.
When you consider homosexual marriage, ObamaCare and the Alphabet agencies running roughshod over individual and state rights - the precursors to the civil war, are now a precedent for the Federal Beast to do exactly what it did in 1861 - and call out troops to enforce it’s demands if needs be. Wherefore anyone opposing the Federal Beast would be considered a ‘traitor’ and a ‘rebel’.
And such is the rhetoric coming out of the current Federal Beast and the Oligarchy that rules us all.
Don’t you know that no matter what facts you present it makes no difference. Way too many people in this country have minds that are too closed and will never admit when they’re wrong.
Only 3% of the population is gay. Yet 100% is being forced to not only accept it, but to promote it. Gay wedding cakes is an example. Your kids being taught in school that it’s okay to have two mommies is another. And that’s just the beginning.
Well said.
Because a Satanic methodology is being implemented against an ignorant people concerned only with their own pleasures.
And it is a methodology that is not new…. it is actually ancient.
The Lord says “My people are destroyed for a lack of knowledge (understanding)” Hosea 4:6 - and so, America today fulfills that scripture.
“If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.” - Joseph Goebbels
“Secession was totally legal.”
Now wait just a minute.
King George III disagreed completely with secession. And so did Leonid Brezhnev in more recent times.
Just ignore that “arrow of time flows in one direction” thing and it all will make sense. Sort of.
thank you
I am well versed on the real situations of those times
A couple of last points to think about, then I’ll let it rest. I can certainly see how the original southern states felt they had every to secede, since they had joined voluntarily. But what about the western states? With The exception of Texas they were not independent countries that joined the USA voluntarily. They were the creation of the United States government. In the case of Louisiana and Arkansas they would have still been French if the USA hadn’t purchased them.
As far as the Constitution being silent on the issue, the framers were very exacting in designing the Constitution including mechanisms for changing it. It seems to me that their decision not to include a mechanism for states to withdrawal implies that they rejected such a right. If there was a widespread agreement that states could secede, they surely would have made such an allowance explicit.
I really have a lot of sympathy for both sides in the Civil War. My ancestors fought on both sides. I think it’s absurd to call the Southerners who fought for their home states “traitors”. OTOH I don’t buy the neo-Confederate revisionist history that tries to downplay the role of slavery that was clearly at the root of the matter. And I get offended when some (not you) call those who don’t buy their spin “ignorant”.
“I am well versed on the real situations of those times”
I could tell. You’ll enjoy that book’s background on what amounted to a multi-decade propaganda campaign that led to the war.
yes, and isn’t it spooky how history seems to be semi repeating itself , with a few new twists , these days ?
It has always seemed to be the tactic of deceitful presidents
to use immigrant aliens to build up their power and support base ?
can you imagine a whole new army of recently arrived Hispanics to be organized to enforce Obama edicts , or possibly an illegal 3 or 4th term of office , due to
extenuating conditions and circumstances ?
Southerners were right to resist and resist hard , back then ( too bad we lacked good sharp leadership in many cases ) and we will likely resist again when the time comes .
“and isn’t it spooky how history seems to be semi repeating itself”
Must be something about Illinois Presidents.
say!....you’re right !
btw I know who Pelham was and what he did :^)
Amen. That is true.
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