The Texans: Rick Perry Or Ted Cruz For 2016?

Townhall ^ | 07/01/2014 | Matt Mackowiak |

[SoConPubbie]

One citizen parent born on foreign soil? No need to cite anything. Simple logic tells us Cruz is not a NBC. Do you think a person born in Saudi Arabia and raised under sharia law would be an NBC simply cause the father was a US citizen? Do u think that’s what the founders intended?

No, your understanding and desire for it to mean 2 parents is what forms your OPINION that Cruz is not an NBC.

There is no constitutional authority that backs up your opinion.

[SoConPubbie]

Because the Court has not issued a definitive opinion, does not give you the right to infer one.

I'm assuming that you meant that post for me.

However, whomever it is meant for, there is no constitutionally defined definition for "Natural Born" that includes either tangentially, and especially unambiguously, 2 US citizens at birth.

[SoConPubbie]

Well Perry is just stupid. I am not a real fan of Cruz and he is unelectable.

Thanks for mimicking the GOP-E and the Lamestream press for us.

Frankly, if Ted Cruz is unelectable, we should start CWII right now, because no conservative is electable and this country is finished.

That being said, you can go ahead and be a surrender monkey, I think I'll fight to my last breath to resolve our problems through the legal process before picking up my gun.

[trisham]

Ted Cruz.

[Sacajaweau]

I’d select Cruz for Attorney General....not President.

[Thud]

I’d rather have Cruz on the Supreme Court.

[CyberAnt]

Yeah, that’s a good choice.

The reason I would select Cruz is that he’s not afraid of the left. He’s not dismayed or cowed by anything the left does or says. What the left does and says does not change what he believes.

HE IS FEARLESS. He has a steel spine; he’s a God worshiping, America loving patriot.

[precisionshootist]

"One citizen parent born on foreign soil? No need to cite anything. Simple logic tells us Cruz is not a NBC. Do you think a person born in Saudi Arabia and raised under sharia law would be an NBC simply cause the father was a US citizen? Do u think that’s what the founders intended? No, your understanding and desire for it to mean 2 parents is what forms your OPINION that Cruz is not an NBC. There is no constitutional authority that backs up your opinion. "

First, I did not say anything about my desire for NBC to mean 2 parents. I stated what is clearly NOT a natural born citizen.

I also noticed you dodged the question so I will ask again. Would a person born in Saudi Arabia and raised under sharia law be considered a Natural born citizen if the father was a US citizen? Do you think this was the founders intent when they wrote the NBC requirement? (Keep in mind this could mean the child was fathered by a one night stand with a mother he knew nothing about)

Last I will fully retort your statement of "there is no constitutional authority that backs up my opinion". The fact is the Constitution itself backs my opinion as it clearly states you must be a Natural Born Citizen.

Ted Cruz was born in a foreign country to only one US citizen parent. There is simply no logical way this would meet the definition of NBC.

[South40]

There are actually FReepers who would choose Governor Mumbles, La Raza Rick Perry over Ted Cruz?!

Just wow.

[South40]

I might add that I've spoken to him on several occasions and the man just isn't smart

lol! Ouch!

I have never spoken to him but I have heard him speak. The man is an embarrassment.

[Sacajaweau]

Perry can’t be VP....Pres and VP cannot be from same state.

[SeekAndFind]

RE: La Raza Rick Perry

Do you know what Ted Cruz’s policy is regarding how to solve the problem of illegal immigration?

[fieldmarshaldj]

“Cuz, y’know, Cruz is more needed in the Senate than as President !” =Perrybot talking point=

[SoConPubbie]

I also noticed you dodged the question so I will ask again. Would a person born in Saudi Arabia and raised under sharia law be considered a Natural born citizen if the father was a US citizen? Do you think this was the founders intent when they wrote the NBC requirement? (Keep in mind this could mean the child was fathered by a one night stand with a mother he knew nothing about)

The founders put in a system of laws, period.

It is not a system of opinions, or what I want it to be.

It is not a system of my understanding or your understanding of what the founders meant.

With regards to your question, yes, that person, under current US Law is considered "Natural Born". You and I might not like it, but until you, I, or some other interested US Citizen either files a lawsuit that makes it to SCOTUS, or a US Law is passed by Congress and signed by a US President, or we follow the constitutional requirements for amending the constitution to define "Natural Born" as requiring 2 US Citizens at birth, that person is considered by current US Law as "Natural Born".

Your opinion, my opinion, and even the opinions of the Founders do not matter at this point in time with respect to actual constitutionality until one of those three paths are executed to make your opinion, my opinion, or what we understand as the opinions of the founders a matter of constitutional LAW.

[GeronL]

My reaction too!

[GeronL]

in-state tuition!

Can’t be heartless and send them home now, can we?

[itsahoot]

there is no constitutionally defined definition for "Natural Born"

You keep saying that, I along with many others disagree. The issue on this forum is dead because Jim has endorsed Cruz, so I no longer argue the issue, there is nothing to be gained, unless these threads are just honeypots to attract those that disagree with you into committing a ZOT offense.

In any case, unless she converts to Islam, I will write in Sarah Palin for President no matter who is on the ballot.

[SoConPubbie]

You keep saying that, I along with many others disagree.

You can disagree until the cows come home, but you are still wrong.

As of right now, July 2nd, 2014, there is NO constitutional requirement, no legal requirement that defines "Natural Born" as requiring 2 US Citizen parents at birth. None, period.

You and I may agree/disagree as to the INTENT of the founders, but as of now, the law is what it is.

If you want the current legal definition of "Natural Born" to be more in line with your opinions, you will either have to amend the constitution, pass a new law, or get SCOTUS to agree with you.

Those are your options.

[South40]

Do you know what Ted Cruz’s policy is regarding how to solve the problem of illegal immigration?

Cruz's policy in the short term is to defeat the liberal/Republican elite plan to grant amnesty to these lawbreakers. People like La Raza Rick Perry, Karl Rove et al are part of the problem and thus, are far from being the solution. Cruz opposes that, which should earn him the support of all conservatives.

So what is La Raza Rick’s policy...to continue giving taxpayer-subsidized handouts to ILLEGAL aliens and labeling as “heartless” conservatives who doesn't agree?

On the issue of illegal immigration Perry's pro-ILLEGAL alien record precludes him from any serious consideration.

[BereanBrain]

Perry is a good choice for RINO dream ticket. Perry and Christie.

Twiddle Dee and Twiddle Dum.