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Soccer Critics Are Right, But it’s Time to Zip it and Cheer
Townhall.com ^ | June 27, 2014 | Mark Davis

Posted on 06/27/2014 8:16:11 AM PDT by Kaslin

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To: OldPossum
It’s still odd to me that there is a sport in which one’s hands are never used.

Never? Soccer has throw-ins, and goalies do use their hands.

201 posted on 06/28/2014 5:21:19 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: the scotsman

you toss in relegation and you have one of the most results-oriented, capitalistic sports out there


202 posted on 06/28/2014 5:22:25 AM PDT by Hegewisch Dupa
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To: dfwgator
that poster assumes people get their "jollies" from watching sports. So their viewing purposes are a little different than most people, and surely you could understand why they would be shocked and confused by NOT using their hands.

Oddly though, I am suddenly in the mood for women's tennis....

203 posted on 06/28/2014 5:33:10 AM PDT by Hegewisch Dupa
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To: Dr. Bogus Pachysandra

You’ve just described baseball.


204 posted on 06/28/2014 6:49:22 AM PDT by Clemenza (Lurking)
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To: the scotsman

Nope.


205 posted on 06/28/2014 8:14:03 AM PDT by LibertarianLiz
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To: dfwgator

Yes, but do you think (I don’t know, not knowing the game) that tossing the ball into play is a big deal? The fact that the goalies can use their hands does not seem important to me in that they represent just a tiny fraction of the players, all of whom cannot use their hands—aside from the minor point above.

I mean, contrast that with baseball in which the players both throw the ball, catch the ball, and hit the ball by use of their hands, all of them. I think that it’s ludicrous to think of soccer as skilled when they are tasked with running down a field and kicking a rather large ball; contrast that with someone holding a bat and trying to hit a small object traveling at speeds in the area of 100 mph, without knowledge of whether the pitch will be thrown with tremendous velocity, off-speed, curving, dipping, all the tricks of the pitcher, who is fairly close to the batter.

I see no parallel in the skills displayed. But then again, the two of us probably wouldn’t agree on much of anything in terms of sports.


206 posted on 06/28/2014 9:54:55 AM PDT by OldPossum ("It's" is the contraction of "it" and "is"; think about ITS implications.)
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To: Kaslin

Amateur analysis by the author, but an interesting piece.

The ball is in play in an American football game for only about ten minutes out of sixty. The rest is spent standing around. Basketball is a caricature at the professional level.

I like games where scoring means something. Soccer is supposed to be hard, supposed to be difficult, and being good at it is supposed to be a thing of beauty. What could be more American than succeeding at a game where the odds of success are so highly against you?

And why the heck don’t people get into the idea of Americans beating the world at its own game? Millions of our kids are getting the idea, which is why articles like this will thankfully become less and less frequent over time.

But yes, root for Sam’s Army.


207 posted on 06/28/2014 9:59:25 AM PDT by Colonel_Flagg ("Compromise" means you've already decided you lost.)
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To: LibertarianLiz

Please tell me why you think so.


208 posted on 06/29/2014 4:34:00 AM PDT by the scotsman (UK)
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To: OldPossum

Of course, soccer, like any sport (even if I dislike it) is skilled.

Soccer players have to pass at speed, control the ball at speed, go past the opposition, cross the ball, shoot, all this asacurately as they can, again, at speed. And the higher levels of the sport demands all this be done at top speed. And all this whilst the opposition is trying to sop you, by fair means or foul.

You try passing a perfect long pass at speed 30-70 yards downfield, you try to dribble past players at speed whilst retaining complete control of the ball, you try to get past players and shoot or cross for a teammate. Again, all this at speed and whilst multiple members of the opposition, all equally as fit and big as you, some bigger, are trying to stop you.

Soccer takes great skill. And top soccer takes skill only 1 in 10000 will have to make it as a top professional.


209 posted on 06/29/2014 4:41:56 AM PDT by the scotsman (UK)
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To: the scotsman
Well, first, I believe I said I was mostly kidding. My irritation with soccer, aside from the fact that I find the game mind-numbingly boring, is that I am expected to "like" it. I don't seem to be given a choice.

This morning on Fox News Channel, some anchor was setting up the topics for the what was next after the commercial, and he said; "and, what about those people who don't like soccer". Well, what about us? I don't like watching basketball or golf. Yet, most people would say, so what. Not with soccer. For some reason, I MUST watch soccer, not only that, I MUST like soccer.

This to me is the reaction that Conservatives get when disagreeing with the Left. We cannot agree to disagree, we MUST agree. And we MUST agree with the left-wing angle of whatever topic. The Left has been pushing soccer on us since I was a lot (I mean a LOT) younger, it has been decades of how we need to play soccer 'cause Europe does. Ya know, Europe being so much more sophisticated than us rubes. I don't know how old you are; but, if you hang around long enough you remember this stuff. So, this push for soccer has been going on for a long, long time and it has mostly been left-wingers who have been doing the pushing. If it was an interesting game that people liked, you wouldn't need non-stop pushing of it; but, it isn't, so we are constantly told how exciting it is; but, when we watch we keep waiting for the excitement to start.

Also, ties? I believe Americans tend to like definitive endings. Someone wins. Even if it takes extra innings. To sit and watch for 3 hours and not have a definitive win is frustrating to say the least.

So, there is my rant about soccer.

210 posted on 06/29/2014 9:22:43 AM PDT by LibertarianLiz
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To: LibertarianLiz
Also, ties? I believe Americans tend to like definitive endings. Someone wins. Even if it takes extra innings. To sit and watch for 3 hours and not have a definitive win is frustrating to say the least.

Did you watch Brazil/Chile yesterday? Just curious.

211 posted on 06/29/2014 9:24:30 AM PDT by Colonel_Flagg ("Compromise" means you've already decided you lost.)
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To: the scotsman

Or better yet, try it while someone is sliding across your shins with studs up with a decent possibility of snapping your leg like a twig if it’s done wrong.

BTW, thank you very much for your PMs about our beloved RFC. I’ve had a huge week and will reply soon.


212 posted on 06/29/2014 9:25:45 AM PDT by Colonel_Flagg ("Compromise" means you've already decided you lost.)
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To: Colonel_Flagg

Since it was soccer, I would think you would realize that the answer is NO!


213 posted on 06/29/2014 9:30:55 AM PDT by LibertarianLiz
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To: LibertarianLiz

That’s why I asked the question. If you had watched, you’d have refuted your own argument. But I do admit it’s more convenient to slam a tie-breaking procedure without ever having seen it.


214 posted on 06/29/2014 9:35:51 AM PDT by Colonel_Flagg ("Compromise" means you've already decided you lost.)
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To: SeaHawkFan
It is a lot better to watch than what SEC football was 10 years

?!

The best sport in the world is University of Georgia football.

The 2nd best is the rest of SEC football.

The 3rd best is the rest of college football.

Soccer will never succeed here until the Herschel Walkers etc. choose to spend their mercenary years playing it.

215 posted on 06/29/2014 11:09:06 AM PDT by eddie willers
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To: Colonel_Flagg
I'm sorry; but I have watched one soccer game in person, professional, and I have never made that mistake again.

And, you have proven my point that people who don't like soccer will be badgered until they say that they do.

216 posted on 06/29/2014 11:29:59 AM PDT by LibertarianLiz
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To: LibertarianLiz

The fact that some of those pushing the game in the US are of the left hardly makes it communist. Separate the sport from the fans. After all, I am sure that committed neo-nazis enjoy it as much as Jews.

As a sport, in fact, its the most capitalist of sports. In fact its YOUR sports that are set up in a socialist fashion: drafts, no relegation, salary caps. North American sport is designed to equal everybody out, with NO punishment for mediocre play.

BTW, I love soccer, and I think its a great game, not boring at all. I can take you to game here in Scotland and I assure you youd be gripped. Far more exciting than baseball. Which sorry I find a 4hr bore. Gridiron I enjoy actually, really into the CFL these days. Even so, I find the sport too long, but am used to it after 30+yrs of watching.

Sorry, I will take soccer and rugby anyday. Perhaps you might enjoy the latter more than soccer?. 80m, brutal, more suited to someone who watches the NFL. Which after all is rugby’s American child.


217 posted on 06/29/2014 11:30:11 AM PDT by the scotsman (UK)
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To: Kaslin

Go Kings.


218 posted on 06/29/2014 11:32:27 AM PDT by A CA Guy ( God Bless America, God Bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: the scotsman

A sport is exciting when you are vested in a team, and at least have some familiarity with players, and history.

That’s the big hurdle that soccer faces in the US. But more and more people here know the big names, like Messi and Ronaldo, and know of the big Euro teams, like Manchester United, Barcelona, Bayern Munich, etc.

I think most people would find, say a Division III college football game hardly anything to get excited about, unless, they were an alumni of one of the schools.


219 posted on 06/29/2014 11:34:15 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: the scotsman

Again, you are badgering me. Why, oh why, can you not allow me to not like soccer. No where in my posts did I insist that you like a sport that I like. I don’t care what you like, just quit trying to make me care about soccer. Ain’t happening.


220 posted on 06/29/2014 11:34:17 AM PDT by LibertarianLiz
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