Posted on 06/18/2014 10:25:40 AM PDT by Uncle Miltie
I understand your point, and I agree with it.
Good points. I agree with your take here as well.
One last comment, my friends:
The Japanese had stockpiled one and two-man Suicide Boats laden with high explosives on Kerama Retto Island.. Hundreds of them. They were going to use these to ram American landing craft and transports. They would be crewed with troops, Rikusentai (Special Naval Landing Forces), and civilians.
Had Operations Olympic and Coronet taken place on Kyushu in October 45 as scheduled, the slaughter would have made Okinawa pale in comparison.
Defiant to the end, indeed. There is only way to defeat an enemy determined to die. You help him.
My old man was in Germany with the occupation forces for two years, part of the groups looking for the fabled Bavarian Redoubt that the SS had said was setup for the “Werewolves” to continue guerrilla operations against the Allies. That proved not to be the case, but again, the threat was there and plausible enough to send people to put to an end to it.
There’s no reasoning with fanaticism.
You just kill it so it’s not longer a threat.
Terrorism was abated because the government was doing a hundred other things to abate it like airline security and homeland security, things they are still doing.
I sure wouldn't have given my life to give Iraqis the vote to elect the Shiites in power in Iraq then kick the US out anyway, and I imagine the families of those fallen and crippled soldiers are now thinking the same to, asking themselves what the hell was the point?
Yes but I don't think our soldiers today risk their lives trying to capture alive suicide bombers in action when they come across them, nor are they told to, I bet the standing orders are already to kill them on the spot.
Hell, look at all the unarmed Americans police kill here and get cleared for.
Good points Hale. Those suicide boats were a very big threat.
We have all sorts of vulnerabilities that are not covered by our Homeland Insecurity Goombas.
Yep, they are called illegals and they are making a wholesale invasion of this country while Obama and the neocons screw around in these poor Islamic crapholes.
The neocons want the illegals to use for more Bush/Cheney/McCain like invasions. That's what McCain and Grahamnsety want them for.
“...Yes but I don’t think our soldiers today risk their lives trying to capture alive suicide bombers in action...”
My point is, fanaticism with a uniform on, or without a uniform is STILL fanaticism. And in THIS war, you don’t know exactly when the suicide bomber is going to walk through the shopping mall doors, or drive his truck or car into the city center and detonate it.
I agree that some of the 20-35 million will join the military. I doubt the percentage would be of significance. I don’t see that as the reason for amnesty not an amnesty.
I think it’s more the idea these people will work for cheap. The chamber of commerce wants it. That’s word for the main supporter’s mouth.
I agree we need troops on the border. I have called for it for a long time. Get things under control, and then pull them off.
We have to de-incintivise illegal border crossings.
Stop wrongly interpreting the 14th Ammendment, so that children of illegals are instant citizens.
End the ability for illegals to get any government services whatsoever, the ability to work, find housing, or be able to live here.
End their access to medical care and education. If they need these things, they need to be in Mexico, period.
Once the gig is up, we won’t need the military on the border.
We need to bring pressure on the Mexican government to clean up their act.
I see reading comprehension is optional.
When I said “I’m signing off from this thread.” that means STOP PINGING ME WITH YOUR POSTS ON THIS THREAD.
Yet, I received 21 more pings. WTF?!?! STOP PINGING ME REGARDING THIS THREAD!!!
Ok, bro. Not a problem.
Not asking you to return and reply. Just wanted you to know what was being said because you were part of the discussion.
I’ll make sure to remove your name from any further exchanges.
I think there is an argument to be made to simply mow these pricks down as they move their convoy and forces around Iraqi territory. Just send in some munitions and eradicate massive numbers of them.
in a sane world/US gubmint, both options are doable, *IF* we were still strong enuff PC-wise to tell the world to get bent if they dont like it, or if they try to follow our lead using the big weapons...
we dont even dare hit the armies and crush their ability to fight, dating back to before the 'road of death' in papa bush's spanking of iraq...we allowed a large part of his armies go home to fight another day, because we didnt want the world to think we were bullies [spit]...
we cant nuke their civilian populations and wont commit wholesale slaughter of their men-wimmi&children at arms, so why in hell spend a drop of our blood there, when eventually theyll be here anyway ???
like i said before, our policies/actions have all been, by design, meant to fail, securing the rise of the muzz power base to finally eradicate the joos and any other infidels in the general area...
*if* they succeed, then ultimately theyll need to kill the rest of us, either before or after they return to killing each other as the untrue version of mo-ham-head-eans [piss & bacon be upon them]...
And in a world still woozy from a credit depression, this is an existential threat.
Gilbo, I think you answer your own question.
“...so why in hell spend a drop of our blood there, when eventually theyll be here anyway ???”
That’s why we spill drops of our blood.
Look at Iraq before our last military action there.
Look at it prior to this recent surge.
Which situation was more anti-U.S.?
Right now, we’re doing more harm to our cause that we could possibly do any other way.
We are abandoning those who took us at our word, that we would help them when they needed us.
Now those people who trusted us are being beheaded.
By just sitting back and watching, we are proving that we couldn’t be trusted then, now, or in the future.
Is that how we wind hearts and minds?
No.
This president, and sadly some on our own side are undermining our efforts to make this a safer world.
> “[The Saudis] blame Maliki for inviting this crisis by alienating Sunnis and for failing spectacularly when faced with the ISIL blitz. But their fear and distrust of ISIL is real. This is a group that would storm Riyadh and Mecca if it could,” said Matthew M. Reed, vice president at Foreign Reports, a Middle East–focused consulting firm in Washington, D.C.
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