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Remind me, did Gilad Shalit desert from the Israeli Army as it appears that Bowe Bergdahl did from ours? If not, how are they similar situations?
1 posted on 06/12/2014 2:30:52 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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No, and AFAIK Shalit never converted to Islam either.


2 posted on 06/12/2014 2:31:41 AM PDT by Olog-hai
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‘Was He Worth It?” blared the cover of Time magazine, as if that should be the question Americans ask in light of the release of Bowe Bergdahl after five years of brutal captivity by the Taliban.

No, the question we should be asking is a version of the one Pope Francis made famous in a different context: “Who Are We To Judge?”

Did he really experience "brutal" captivity?"

Was he worth 14 lives lost attempting to rescue him?

Where was the press during those five years?

Should we depend upon the MSM and White House for information, or his colleagues and those with direct knowledge?

It is difficult to judge anything with the lack of information, and the smoke and fog of spin. And, it is difficult to judge with no real source of information on what happened, similar to Benghazi and other scandals.

So, we wait.

4 posted on 06/12/2014 2:48:59 AM PDT by olezip (Time obliterates the fictions of opinion and confirms the decisions of nature. ~ Cicero)
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We are NOT Bowe and his family....never have or never will be!! IDIOTS!!


5 posted on 06/12/2014 2:56:37 AM PDT by Ann Archy (Abortion.....the Human Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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Bergdahl is a traitor. So is the man who swapped him for 5 Islamicist fellow travelers.


7 posted on 06/12/2014 2:57:33 AM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (Resist We Much)
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No, we are not.


8 posted on 06/12/2014 3:07:40 AM PDT by rlmorel ("A nation, despicable by it"s weakness, forfeits even the privilege of being neutral." A. Hamilton)
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What a pile of pap. The real question is not should we have taken him back, it’s whether we should have payed the price we did. The answer to that is no.


9 posted on 06/12/2014 3:09:55 AM PDT by saganite (What happens to taglines? Is there a termination date?)
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That’s what Israel does. The contrast between the Israeli public’s reaction to even more lopsided deals with terrorists and what’s occurred here says a lot about who we are and what is missing in our collective sense of self.

This is a terrible comparison. Israel's lopsided prisoner exchanges are probably tied to two things that aren't a factor in the U.S.:

1. Israel has compulsory military service for its citizens. Even worse, they have exemptions for large segments of the population -- including a disproportionate number of those who have lived in settlements that have been the subject of so much contention over there. If the Israeli government didn't move mountains to recover every prisoner held by the Palestinians, the country would probably collapse.

2. Israel is a collectivist, Marxist country in many respects. It is so different from the U.S. that it really shouldn't be compared to us here. A more appropriate comparison would be to European countries with leftist parliamentary governments. Those countries would probably act the same way as Israel when it comes to "prisoner exchanges" like this.

10 posted on 06/12/2014 3:21:27 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("What in the wide, wide world of sports is goin' on here?")
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“Who Are We To Judge?”

Good question. I'm prior military, lost several close friends in the war on terror, with my son active duty, and my father a former POW. I'd say that gives me the right to an informed opinion on a deserter. Many (most?) of us on FR are prior military or have close relatives in the service. We judge because we have been there - without desertion, without treason, and without unnecessarily endangering our units.

We do not raise our kids with the idea that all moral choices are equally valid, from heroism and fidelity to treason and homosexuality. We raise our kids with values, for most of us biblical values, and Bergdahl's conduct does not measure up to what we ourselves did when we were bored with duty, or when we were unsure about a leadership decision. Bergdahl's conduct does not measure up to what we would want our children and grandchildren to recognize as acceptable.

We are humans, endowed by God with a sense of right and wrong, and tasked by God with teaching our children the difference between good and evil. That gives us the right and the duty to judge reprehensible conduct.

11 posted on 06/12/2014 3:27:15 AM PDT by Pollster1 ("Shall not be infringed" is unambiguous.)
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American soldier captured

American soldier deserted (fixed)


12 posted on 06/12/2014 3:47:00 AM PDT by bikerman (Bowe Bergdahl is a traitor not a hero and should be hung.)
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“...should have informed those members of Congress who see it as their right to know such things...”

See it as their right? It’s a law.


15 posted on 06/12/2014 4:08:04 AM PDT by smalltownslick
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I may be the world's worst chess player, but even I know that you don't trade five knights for a single pawn.

And Israel was foolish to trade 1,000 terrorists for a single soldier. That puts all the power in the hands of a kidnapper - I kidnap one of your guys, you give me 1,000 people back. Who in their right mind would agree to that deal?

16 posted on 06/12/2014 4:14:56 AM PDT by Hardastarboard (Please excuse the potholes in this tagline. Social programs have to take priority in our funding.)
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I don’t think this sleeper jihadist is me. I’ve never deserted, nor have I ever been a moslem idiot.


17 posted on 06/12/2014 4:17:49 AM PDT by John O (God Save America (Please))
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Gilad was actively abducted.
Bowe walked off.
Hmm... Writer misses that fact.
Writer needs to go offer themselves as a hostage, see what happens.


18 posted on 06/12/2014 4:24:22 AM PDT by Darksheare (Try my coffee, first one's free..... Even robots will kill for it!)
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Who wrote this sh*t?


21 posted on 06/12/2014 5:02:48 AM PDT by Jack Hammer
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He is not me.


24 posted on 06/12/2014 5:11:01 AM PDT by sport
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We had to get him back to try, and subsequently, kill him for treason.


26 posted on 06/12/2014 5:17:57 AM PDT by BloodAngel
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Private Eddie Slovik.


27 posted on 06/12/2014 5:26:54 AM PDT by wordsofearnest (Proper aim of giving is to put the recipient in a state where he no longer needs it. C.S. Lewis)
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We shouldn’t judge? That is all the libs do. If they didn’t judge there would be no way for them to “feel” superior.


28 posted on 06/12/2014 5:29:17 AM PDT by Vermont Lt (If you want to keep your dignity, you can keep it. Period........ Just kidding, you can't keep it.)
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When I was in Israel I met a surprising number of young people who avoided military service due to religious reasons. One woman made it sound like that 100% service requirement was more like a PR campaign for outsiders than a fact of life.


29 posted on 06/12/2014 5:30:59 AM PDT by Oshkalaboomboom
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I wonder if Israel would have swapped Hitler, Himmler,Goebbels,Hess for one prisoner?


31 posted on 06/12/2014 6:11:58 AM PDT by johnny reb (When in the course of human events.....)
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