Posted on 06/04/2014 10:19:50 AM PDT by Iced Tea Party
Cultural civil war can be avoided by getting government out of marriage
There is no question that the media, political, and cultural push for gay marriage has made impressive gains. As recently as 1989, voters in avant-garde San Francisco repealed a law that had established only domestic partnerships.
But judging by the questions posed by Supreme Court justices this week in oral arguments for two gay-marriage cases, most observers do not expect sweeping rulings that would settle the issue and avoid protracted political combat. A total of 41 states currently do not allow gay marriage, and most of those laws are likely to remain in place for some time. Even should the Court declare unconstitutional the Defense of Marriage Act, which defines marriage as between a man and a woman for federal purposes, we can expect many pitched battles in Congress. The word “spouse” appears in federal laws and regulations a total of 1,138 times, and many of those references would have to be untangled by Congress absent DOMA.
No wonder Wisconsin’s GOP governor Scott Walker sees public desire for a Third Way. On Meet the Press this month he remarked on how many young people have asked him why the debate is over whether the definition of marriage should be expanded. They think the question is rather “why the government is sanctioning it in the first place.” The alterative would be to “not have the government sanction marriage period, and leave that up to the churches and the synagogues and others to define that.”
Governor Walker made clear these thoughts weren’t “anything I’m advocating for,” but he gave voice to many people who don’t think the gay-marriage debate should tear the country apart in a battle over who controls the culture and wins the government’s seal of approval. Gay-marriage proponents argue that their struggle is the civil-rights issue of our time, although many gays privately question that idea. Opponents who bear no animus toward gays lament that ancient traditions are being swept aside before the evidence is in on how gay marriage would affect the culture.
Both sides operate from the shaky premise that government must be the arbiter of this dispute. Columnist Andrew Sullivan, a crusader for gay marriage, has written that “marriage is a formal, public institution that only the government can grant.” But that’s not so. Marriage predates government. Marriage scholar Lawrence Stone has noted that in the Middle Ages it was “treated as a private contract between two families . . . For those without property, it was a private contract between two individuals enforced by the community sense of what was right.” Indeed, marriage wasn’t even regulated by law in Britain until the Marriage Acts of 1754 and 1835. Common-law unions in early America were long recognized before each state imposed a one-size-fits-all set of marriage laws.
The Founding Fathers avoided creating government-approved religions so as to avoid Europe’s history of church-based wars. Depoliticizing religion has mostly proven to be a good template for defusing conflict by keeping it largely in the private sphere.
Turning marriage into fundamentally a private right wouldn’t be an easy task. Courts and government would still be called on to recognize and enforce contracts that a couple would enter into, and clearly some contracts — such as in a slave-master relationship — would be invalid. But instead of fighting over which marriages gain its approval, government would end the business of making distinctions for the purpose of social engineering based on whether someone was married. A flatter tax code would go a long way toward ending marriage penalties or bonuses. We would need a more sensible system of legal immigration so that fewer people would enter the country solely on the basis of spousal rights.
The current debate pits those demanding “marriage equality” against supporters of “traditional marriage.” But many Americans believe it would be better if we left matters to individuals and religious bodies. The cherished principle of separating church and state should be extended as much as possible into separating marriage and state. Ron Paul won many cheers during his 2012 presidential campaign when he declared, “I’d like to see all governments out of the marriage question. I don’t think it’s a state decision. I think it’s a religious function. I am supportive of all voluntary associations and people can call it whatever they want.”
Supporters of traditional marriage know the political winds are blowing against them. A new Fox News poll finds 49 percent of voters favoring gay marriage, up from just 32 percent a decade ago. And among self-described conservatives under 35, Fox found support for gay marriage is now at 44 percent. Even if the Supreme Court leaves the battle for gay marriage to trench warfare in the states, the balance of power is shifting. Rush Limbaugh, a powerful social conservative, told his listeners this week: “I don’t care what this court does with this particular ruling. . . . I think the inertia is clearly moving in the direction that there is going to be gay marriage at some point nationwide.”
But a majority of Americans still believe the issue of gay marriage should be settled by the states and not with Roe v. Wade–style central planning. It might still be possible to assemble a coalition of people who want to avoid a civil war over the culture and who favor getting government out of the business of marriage.
— John Fund is national-affairs columnist for NRO.
Yes, Colonel. Having a pesky job can really eat into ones FReeping. ;-)
It is very nice to see you, and I hope that all is well with you and yours.
Bryan and I saw that movie a loooong time ago. The razor roller-coaster was about the ickiest thing I’d ever seen.
Aw, you didn’t insult him. He’s happy to be mistaken for a cute little kitty.
http://imdb.com/rg/an_share/title/title/tt0052365/
LOL! Thanks, I think. I’m still not interested in the razor roller-coaster, though.
But that was Tony Curtis. For some reason, I thought Cornel Wilde was Eric. I always liked Kirk Douglas. Michael Douglas, not so much.
YES! I know. I saw the movie and vividly remember the Sultan, or Pasha or whoever he was, choosing an unfortunate mozlim
soldier who willingly sat on the blade and was cut in half lengthwise. He was demonstrating the obedience to the death of his
soldiers in his huge army. It was horripilating, but pretty dang good special effects. I hope... that they were S/Fx.
I went to college with a woman who got into S/Fx in the film industry. We were pretty close friends at the time, but we drifted
apart after college. It was still cool seeing her name in the credit roll after the movies. Her name was Lucinda, and her family
was quite upper crust and did not like her line of work.
To: Mozilla
The libertarians are on the wrong side of every social issue such as abortion, drug prohibition, homosexuality, marriage, prostitution and just about every other choice that consenting adults make....
So can we say that you believe that it's the proper role of DC to give sanction to or ban those activities? If so, perhaps you can show us where the constitution specifically gives the feds that power?
32 posted on 12/18/2012 3:12:17 PM by Orangedog
I always thought that Our Lord and Savior reserved The Rainbow Bridge for dogs and cats; but given His Authority, Will and Power, I don’t doubt that ol’ Fred won’t be nipping for attention at someone’s toes up there. :-)
Oh, you betcha! I hope that Fred is keeping all our many kitties company as well. :-)
Target rich environment.
Well, well...the hits just keep on coming, on this thread! We see how defending traditional marriage shines a BIG light on the roaches and rats.
Good riddance, Odog.
Dead-eye Ursula strikes at the heart again! What a woman!
FYI, this morning I found out that redhawk.44 mag has been quietly escorted from the premises. ;)
1 Peter 2
“13 Submit yourselves to every ordinance of man for the Lord’s sake: whether it be to the king, as supreme;
14 Or unto governors, as unto them that are sent by him for the punishment of evildoers, and for the praise of them that do well.
15 For so is the will of God, that with well doing ye may put to silence the ignorance of foolish men:”
Many thanks for the ping to this great thread.
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