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Obama to impose carbon pollution cap on power plants
cbs ^ | may 31, 2014 | jake miller

Posted on 06/01/2014 11:00:23 AM PDT by lowbridge

In his most sweeping effort to date to reduce carbon emissions and combat climate change, the Obama administration will unveil a new rule from the Environmental Protection Agency on Monday limiting the amount of carbon pollution from coal power plants.

The rule will impose a cap on the level of emissions existing power plants are permitted and it will provide each state a flexible series of options to implement that cap. Among other options, power plants will be allowed to increase the energy they derive from renewable sources like wind and solar power, adopt new technology to increase energy efficiency, and join or create a statewide cap-and-trade system to effectively tax the excess carbon emissions.

The total effect of those options could cut the amount of carbon emissions from coal-fired power plants by up to 20 percent.

President Obama explained the importance of the new rules in his weekly address on Saturday.

"Today, about 40 percent of America's carbon pollution comes from power plants. But right now, there are no national limits to the amount of carbon pollution that existing plants can pump into the air we breathe -- none," he said. "We limit the amount of toxic chemicals like mercury, sulfur, and arsenic that power plants put in our air and water. But they can dump unlimited amounts of carbon pollution into the air. It's not smart, it's not safe, and it doesn't make sense."

"That's why, a year ago, I directed the Environmental Protection Agency to build on the efforts of many states, cities, and companies, and come up with commonsense guidelines for reducing dangerous carbon pollution from our power plants," the president continued. "This week, we're unveiling these proposed guidelines,

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To: PapaNew

Your hope in the salvation of this country is woefully misplaced.


121 posted on 06/02/2014 4:10:22 PM PDT by INVAR ("Fart for liberty, fart for freedom and fart proudly!" - Benjamin Franklin)
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To: INVAR
Your opinion of course. I have strong Biblical support, but to each his own.

I wonder - if things turned around unexpectedly for the good, would you be disappointed that you were wrong?

122 posted on 06/02/2014 4:14:19 PM PDT by PapaNew
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To: PapaNew

I’d love to be wrong on this score. I have kids and hoped-for grandkids and a ministry overseas. However, that is not the message I’m getting from The Spirit or from the Word of God, or in looking at history.

I cannot find in scripture where God has a policy of removing the consequences of sin. David’s son died after he repented and fasted a week. Moses was not permitted to go into the Promised land, etc.

And while Jesus told the adulteress she was not condemned by Him at that moment, He also told her to go and sin no more. Had she been caught again in the act - I’m pretty sure she would have been stoned.

Repentance is a necessary ingredient of forgiveness. I do not see or hear the vast majority of churches speaking up on that issue. Not like our Patriarchs did in the 1760s. Our culture is a testimony against the church given what the Founders expected the church to uphold in the society.

As such , I hold no hope that God is going to spare us that which we have sown for ourselves in this nation.

Sorry if you do not like the message, people being told to shape or else is never popular.


123 posted on 06/02/2014 4:33:56 PM PDT by INVAR ("Fart for liberty, fart for freedom and fart proudly!" - Benjamin Franklin)
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To: lowbridge
It is God that justifies

Justification means "just as if" I'd never sinned. In God's eyes you've never sinned once you come to Jesus. From there God's mercy can kick in at any time to interfere with natural events by his supernatural grace. Why wouldn't he? He's short-circuited natural events to bring you to Himself in the first place. He doesn't stop there. Why would he? (Rom 8:32).

If you can't believe that God has mercy on sinners (we wouldn't be saved if he didn't) as I said, there are many praying Christians in America who are constantly under God's grace and mercy.

If he waited until after we repented to help us, none of us would be saved either. It is God's goodness, not man's judgements, that bring repentance. He woos and helps the sinner to repentance (changed mind). That can take as long as God decides, weeks, months, years, decades. We're not the ones to tell God how to show his mercy and grace.

If God spared not his only Son, He will move Heaven and earth to bring one sinner, or country, to repentance by his goodness, not man's condemnation.

124 posted on 06/02/2014 5:00:02 PM PDT by PapaNew
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To: INVAR
It is God that justifies

Justification means "just as if" I'd never sinned. In God's eyes you've never sinned once you come to Jesus. From there God's mercy can kick in at any time to interfere with natural events by his supernatural grace. Why wouldn't he? He's short-circuited natural events to bring you to Himself in the first place. He doesn't stop there. Why would he? (Rom 8:32).

If you can't believe that God has mercy on sinners (we wouldn't be saved if he didn't) as I said, there are many praying Christians in America who are constantly under God's grace and mercy.

If he waited until after we repented to help us, none of us would be saved either. It is God's goodness, not man's judgements, that bring repentance. He woos and helps the sinner to repentance (changed mind). That can take as long as God decides, weeks, months, years, decades. We're not the ones to tell God how to show his mercy and grace.

If God spared not his only Son, He will move Heaven and earth to bring one sinner, or country, to repentance by his goodness, not man's condemnation.

125 posted on 06/02/2014 5:01:26 PM PDT by PapaNew
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To: lowbridge

Don’t know what happened, but somehow that last post was sent to you by mistake. Sorry (unless you find it helpful).


126 posted on 06/02/2014 5:02:57 PM PDT by PapaNew
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To: PapaNew

You go ahead and keep wishing that God is going to save America from the consequences of the wickedness that the country and society is practicing and imposing on everyone via force.

I do not subscribe to your belief that we can sin so that Grace may abound.

It’s going to be interesting to see how many Christians are going to hold onto their faith once their illusions of peace and prosperity are shattered. Personal experience tells me that most are going to fold like a cheap suit and surrender all for the promise of bread.


127 posted on 06/02/2014 5:25:47 PM PDT by INVAR ("Fart for liberty, fart for freedom and fart proudly!" - Benjamin Franklin)
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To: JRandomFreeper; INVAR
I was just reading in National Review (you know, that extremist left wing publication) an article about tomorrow's primary in Mississippi pitting McDaniel against the very establishment Cochran. Here is one paragraph:

In an interview at Ward’s fast-food restaurant, McDaniel says he models himself after tea-party stars Rand Paul, Mike Lee, and Ted Cruz, but they have been conspicuously absent from this race: All three have vowed not to endorse candidates challenging incumbent lawmakers.

Very interesting. Hmmm...Cruz seems to be already turning Establishment. He should be off your good list. If you are intellectually honest, you should rip Cruz to shreds in your absolutist way. Go to it!!!

128 posted on 06/02/2014 6:09:17 PM PDT by Dave W
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To: Dave W
Straw man. Cruz has said from the beginning that he wouldn't endorse in a race where an incumbent was running.

He's living up to his word.

I'm only out to destroy liberal republicans. Those that support abortion, gun control, amnesty, socialized medicine, bigger government....

You know... like the last republican presidential candidate.

/johnny

129 posted on 06/02/2014 6:13:35 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Dave W
I'm serious about my list. Abortion, 2nd Amendment, amnesty, socialized medicine, and big government.

If a candidate is on the right side on those issues, he has my vote. I don't care if he disagrees with me about getting rid of the EPA, or if he's been divorced.

The purists are the ones that insist that I vote for a republican, without regard to whether the republican even matches the party platform.

Why do you guys let that happen anyway? Normally, a party would run off a potential candidate that was acting against the party platform. The Dems damn sure do.

/johnny

130 posted on 06/02/2014 6:25:05 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: JRandomFreeper
Nothing straw about it...that means, in effect, Cruz is McConnell's boy. Already making excuses for your loved ones? I'm terrible disappointed in you - in your intellectual dishonesty and basically, faux outrage. An impostor.

Is that you, McConnell?

131 posted on 06/02/2014 6:25:51 PM PDT by Dave W
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To: Dave W
You know you are reaching, Dave. Cruz is doing what he said he'd do from the beginning.

You GOP-E types are starting to get a little frothy at the mouth.

You aren't going to stop me from campaigning against the pro-abort gun grabbers that the GOP-E will run.

It's much easier to clear the liberals out of the republican party. So that's where I'll start. And I'll apply my 5 point test to them.

I look forward to seeing a republican party that is scared to run a liberal candidate.

/johnny

132 posted on 06/02/2014 6:36:30 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: JRandomFreeper
Johnny,

Isn't Cochran for big government and even a bigger big government? I kind of think so. Your list is solid except for big government - no one is going to do a thing about that, except make it bigger.

I admit you have a strong point about the pubbie not following the platform and the democrat basically terrorized into following theirs.

In fact, I recall Mitt letting it be known even before the platform was final, he was going to go his own way. No one was shocked or surprised since the activists write the platform for the Establishment/Moderate candidate. There was little to no controversy. Platforms no longer hog the spotlight like they used to since I think everyone is aware, one can't make someone follow something he disagrees with.

You ask why does this happen since there was a time the republican party would not let this happen. Well, the best answer is that the republican party has been taken over by a large number of establishment types who don't like conservatives and would wish them to be gone. How this happened, I can't answer that question. I really don't know, but it is a puzzle.

I loathe the democrats and greatly admire their discipline in making everyone agree on every single issue. No matter how dishonest, how illegitimate, how crooked, they all stand in front of the camera with a straight face (meaning the democrats). Much of it has to do with the media. The dems are not required to run through the media's gauntlet and don't have to answer any hard questions about their contradictory and dishonest beliefs.

With a republican, they are thoroughly trashed by the media over a perceived slight about someone or something. The republicans have been castrated and are scared to come out of their house. No backbones, no blow back, absolutely nothing.

The republicans are desperate for a leader and there are few that seem to have the talent and desire to be one. There is Palin and Cruz. The media has destroyed Palin and are trying to destroy Cruz, but so far the media hasn't been able to touch him. I wish him well.

133 posted on 06/02/2014 6:46:54 PM PDT by Dave W
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To: Dave W

Coups have a tendency to corrupt everything connected to power. Either by incentive, or by threat.

I consider the GOP to be as every bit the enemy to Constitutional liberty as the MarxoFascist Democrats.

Elections and national parties are not going to fix this mess.

Fact of history.


134 posted on 06/02/2014 7:20:38 PM PDT by INVAR ("Fart for liberty, fart for freedom and fart proudly!" - Benjamin Franklin)
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To: lowbridge

Is anyone surprised , he said he would shut down all coal plants before he was elected


135 posted on 06/02/2014 8:07:46 PM PDT by Deetes (God Bless the Troops)
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To: INVAR
sin so that Grace may abound

Well, thank you, you've ascribed a pretty high honor to me because those were the very words accusers used against the preacher of grace himself, Paul the Apostle, so I'm in very good company. I must be doing something right.

What was Paul's (& my) answer to that accusation? Although when sin abounds grace does yet much more abound (Rom 5:20), how shall we who are dead to sin live any longer therein? (Rom 6:2). For sin shall not have dominion over you for you are not under the law but under grace (Rom 6:14).

As for my faith, it is not in man, nor in man's country but it is in the God and Father of Jesus Christ who loved himself and gave himself for me. You should have been able to tell that I'm not saying with absolute certainly what is in America's future. I'm saying I have reason to believe what I hope for with America. However, my faith in God is certainly not based on what happens to America, it's based on God's unconditional and everlasting love for me based on the unchanging truth of what happened to Jesus.

136 posted on 06/02/2014 9:29:34 PM PDT by PapaNew
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To: PapaNew

What shall we say then? Are we to continue in sin that grace may abound? God forbid! How shall we, that are dead to sin, still live in sin? - Romans 6:1-2

I used that word repentance for a reason. You keep arguing against it so that grace may abound.

Your position is not exactly scriptural according to Paul himself.


137 posted on 06/02/2014 10:11:20 PM PDT by INVAR ("Fart for liberty, fart for freedom and fart proudly!" - Benjamin Franklin)
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To: INVAR
Either you're not reading my posts or you don't understand the what scripture is saying to you. Your accusation against me (let's sin so that grace may abound) was & is the same accusation against Paul, the preacher of grace. My answer to you was and is the same as Paul:

Although when sin abounds grace does yet much more abound (Rom 5:20), how shall we who are dead to sin live any longer therein? (Rom 6:2). For sin shall not have dominion over you for you are not under the law but under grace (Rom 6:14).

Either you don't understand or don't like what God's Word is saying in these verses. A lot of people (then and now) don't like the gospel of the grace of Jesus Christ because it is too easy (for us, not for Jesus who did it all on the cross) and void of man's pride and self effort and is an offense to those who hold on to the law (Gal 5:11).

138 posted on 06/03/2014 7:35:44 AM PDT by PapaNew
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To: PapaNew

All that is preached in America is Grace - Jesus loves us just the way we are. No need to repent of sin.

Our culture is a testament to the failure of the church - and the misapplication of the scriptures to focus on love and Grace rather than the need for repentance and becoming unleavened because Christ our Passover has been sacrificed for us.

You and I have diametric opposite understandings of both Scripture and Jesus apparently.


139 posted on 06/03/2014 7:40:50 AM PDT by INVAR ("Fart for liberty, fart for freedom and fart proudly!" - Benjamin Franklin)
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To: INVAR

I do not subscribe to the Osteenification of the scriptures or the church.

It’s exactly WHY this nation has arrived at this point in Godless Debauchery and submitting to tyranny.


140 posted on 06/03/2014 11:18:30 AM PDT by INVAR ("Fart for liberty, fart for freedom and fart proudly!" - Benjamin Franklin)
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