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To: PapaNew

I’d love to be wrong on this score. I have kids and hoped-for grandkids and a ministry overseas. However, that is not the message I’m getting from The Spirit or from the Word of God, or in looking at history.

I cannot find in scripture where God has a policy of removing the consequences of sin. David’s son died after he repented and fasted a week. Moses was not permitted to go into the Promised land, etc.

And while Jesus told the adulteress she was not condemned by Him at that moment, He also told her to go and sin no more. Had she been caught again in the act - I’m pretty sure she would have been stoned.

Repentance is a necessary ingredient of forgiveness. I do not see or hear the vast majority of churches speaking up on that issue. Not like our Patriarchs did in the 1760s. Our culture is a testimony against the church given what the Founders expected the church to uphold in the society.

As such , I hold no hope that God is going to spare us that which we have sown for ourselves in this nation.

Sorry if you do not like the message, people being told to shape or else is never popular.


123 posted on 06/02/2014 4:33:56 PM PDT by INVAR ("Fart for liberty, fart for freedom and fart proudly!" - Benjamin Franklin)
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To: INVAR
It is God that justifies

Justification means "just as if" I'd never sinned. In God's eyes you've never sinned once you come to Jesus. From there God's mercy can kick in at any time to interfere with natural events by his supernatural grace. Why wouldn't he? He's short-circuited natural events to bring you to Himself in the first place. He doesn't stop there. Why would he? (Rom 8:32).

If you can't believe that God has mercy on sinners (we wouldn't be saved if he didn't) as I said, there are many praying Christians in America who are constantly under God's grace and mercy.

If he waited until after we repented to help us, none of us would be saved either. It is God's goodness, not man's judgements, that bring repentance. He woos and helps the sinner to repentance (changed mind). That can take as long as God decides, weeks, months, years, decades. We're not the ones to tell God how to show his mercy and grace.

If God spared not his only Son, He will move Heaven and earth to bring one sinner, or country, to repentance by his goodness, not man's condemnation.

125 posted on 06/02/2014 5:01:26 PM PDT by PapaNew
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