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George Will: Obamacare Doomed Under Constitution's Origination Clause
Newsmax ^ | Saturday, 03 May 2014 | Sandy Fitzgerald

Posted on 05/03/2014 3:01:05 PM PDT by Hotlanta Mike

Two years ago, when the Supreme Court declared Obamacare's penalty to be a tax, it doomed the healthcare reform act as an "unconstitutional violation of the origination clause," columnist George Will says.

This Thursday, the Washington, D.C., Court of Appeals, the nation's second-most important court, will hear arguments on whether the Affordable Care Act adheres to the Constitution's "origination clause," which declare that "all bills for raising revenue shall originate in the House of Representatives; but the Senate may propose or concur with amendments as on other bills," Will writes in his column in The Washington Post Saturday.

Will points out that the Democrat-controlled Senate passed Obamacare on a party-line vote "without a Democratic vote to spare, after a series of unsavory transactions that purchased the assent of several shrewdly extortionate Democrats.

Thursday's arguments, said Will, will show that the act was "indisputably a revenue measure" that did not originate in the House, which later passed the House on yet another party-line vote.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: abolishobamacare; abortion; deathpanels; georgewill; obamacare; originationclause; rino; scotus; zerocare
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To: Hostage

It has taken this long for it to wind its way through the courts. Let it play out.


41 posted on 05/03/2014 3:49:51 PM PDT by Hotlanta Mike ("Governing a great nation is like cooking a small fish - too much handling will spoil it." Lao Tzu)
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To: DannyTN

It’s going to be ruled null and void and then Congress would have to start-over from scratch. How about that?


42 posted on 05/03/2014 3:51:57 PM PDT by Hotlanta Mike ("Governing a great nation is like cooking a small fish - too much handling will spoil it." Lao Tzu)
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To: Steely Tom

Re-post of a story from four years ago.


This Thursday, the Washington, D.C., Court of Appeals, the nation’s second-most important court, will hear arguments on whether the Affordable Care Act adheres to the Constitution’s “origination clause,” which declares that “all bills for raising revenue shall originate in the House of Representatives; but the Senate may propose or concur with amendments as on other bills,” Will writes in his column in The Washington Post Saturday.


43 posted on 05/03/2014 3:53:06 PM PDT by Hotlanta Mike ("Governing a great nation is like cooking a small fish - too much handling will spoil it." Lao Tzu)
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To: Hotlanta Mike
This thread is not the re-post.

George Will's article is the re-post.

44 posted on 05/03/2014 3:55:21 PM PDT by Steely Tom (How do you feel about robbing Peter's robot?)
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To: Hotlanta Mike

The big test will be the right of families who have lost loved ones to 0bamacare to sue the government . . . that alone could reach into the billions on damages alone.


45 posted on 05/03/2014 4:04:40 PM PDT by Pilgrim's Progress (http://www.baptistbiblebelievers.com/BYTOPICS/tabid/335/Default.aspx)
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To: achilles2000; All
The courts are lawless, and if the law mattered, the Roberts ACA opinion would never have been written. Don’t hold your breath.

The courts, sadly, are an excellent example of lipstick on a pig imo.

Also, can anybody volunteer an example of Mr. Will noting, like Judge Andrew Napolitano did, that healthcare is not one of the powers that the states delegated to Congress in the Constitution's Section 8 of Article I?

Judge Napolitano & the Constitution

46 posted on 05/03/2014 4:04:44 PM PDT by Amendment10
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To: djf

I agree on that premise.


47 posted on 05/03/2014 4:06:09 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: Hotlanta Mike
If anyone seriously thinks Obamacare will be slapped down, in part or in whole, is borderline insane. TPTB, namely the ruling political class with it's two supporting parties comfortably controlling every election in this nation since the Reagan surprise, need this law in order to control the population. The next unconstitutional nightmare facing our beleaguered nation is the insidious NPV compact of liberal states that will skewer the electoral college by changing the way electoral votes are assigned. That will become the law of the land if the elitist Progressive Republican wing of the Democrat party takes the same approach as it has for the last 2 years for every other fight opportunity. Repeal the Patriot Act. Repeal Sarbanes-Oxley. Repeal Dodd-Frank. Repeal the just passed NDAA. Reinstate Glass- Stegall. Eliminate the Departments of the Interior, Energy, Education, Homeland Security, Agriculture, and Labor. Either black grant the savings back to the states or institute a 17% Fair Tax. Freeze the budget. Eliminate money paid to GSEs and NGOs.
48 posted on 05/03/2014 4:09:53 PM PDT by cashless (Obama told us he would side with Muslims if the political winds shifted in an ugly direction. Ready?)
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To: cashless; Hotlanta Mike; Liz; All

Gohmert on Meaning of The Origination Clause

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JWub44O1oTs


49 posted on 05/03/2014 4:13:29 PM PDT by Whenifhow
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To: Hotlanta Mike

I have no control with what happens to it. I’m just cautioning Freepers not to get their hopes wound up around it.


50 posted on 05/03/2014 4:18:13 PM PDT by Hostage (ARTICLE V)
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To: Whenifhow
This issue has popped up on numerous occasions since day one. My understanding was that the law suits could not commence until the first person paid the tax for being uninsured or something to that effect. I guess that time has come?
51 posted on 05/03/2014 4:23:21 PM PDT by DAC21
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To: DAC21

My understanding is that someone has to have “standing” in order for the case to be heard in court. (someone would have to pay the tax) Taxes have been imposed on Obamacare - and more to come.

In that video, it appears that congress was questioning the origination clause and wondering if Congress could be considered to have “standing”.

It is a short excerpt, so perhaps there is something missing that we don’t know.


52 posted on 05/03/2014 4:28:29 PM PDT by Whenifhow
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53 posted on 05/03/2014 4:32:28 PM PDT by RedMDer (May we always be happy and may our enemies always know it. - Sarah Palin, 10-18-2010)
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To: Hotlanta Mike

The law is basically what a judge says it is.


54 posted on 05/03/2014 4:50:29 PM PDT by headstamp 2 (What would Scooby do?)
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To: Hotlanta Mike

Not to worry, John Roberts will save the day with a ruling diametrically opposed to the previous one.


55 posted on 05/03/2014 4:50:37 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("The more numerous the laws, the more corrupt the government." --Tacitus)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Thanks a bunch W. And thanks even more for giving us the DHS. The Muslim in the WH couldn’t be happier. Go Jeb go!


56 posted on 05/03/2014 4:57:18 PM PDT by 3boysdad (The very elect.)
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To: cashless

O-care will be struck down because it threatens their control.

Presently 70% oppose it, and the number is growing.


57 posted on 05/03/2014 5:19:58 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: Hotlanta Mike

if I remember correctly.
this was satisfied by...

at the last minute,
the Senate passed without changes,
something from the House

(remember that Senator Brown
was about to be seated)


58 posted on 05/03/2014 5:23:30 PM PDT by RockyTx
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To: Hotlanta Mike

ObamaCare should have been killed over severability when part of that monstrosity was found unconstitutional. ObamaCare should have been doomed under Enumerated Powers. ObamaCare should have been doomed under the First Amendment when it was used to attempt to compel Hobby Lobby, Catholic nuns, and many others to violate deeply held religious values to further a trivial government interest that is so obviously harmful that people must be forced to follow the destructive mandates in the law. ObamaCare should also be killed over origination, since the thugs used a ruse in which a House tax bill was replaced in its entirety with an unrelated Senate bill.

Our freedom is in the hands of Chief Justice Roberts. It’s time to pray.


59 posted on 05/03/2014 5:36:24 PM PDT by Pollster1 ("Shall not be infringed" is unambiguous.)
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To: RockyTx

No.
At the last minute, the House voted to accept the Senate bill.
Therein lies the rub.


60 posted on 05/03/2014 5:52:17 PM PDT by Repeal The 17th (We have met the enemy and he is us.)
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