No duh!....of course they were expecting a military messiah; no one is denying that....Until Acts chapter 2...when the Holy spirit fell upon the disciples, when the Living word of God empowered them to preach, teach, heal and Old Testament prophecies were revealed to them in a way God always had intended for his word to be interpreted....Acts, written by Luke, right? And this happened when? After the resurrection, right? What I want to know is who understood him BEFORE that.
At the time of Jesus birth we know of at least 4 folks that really got it...Mary, Joseph, Simeon and the prophetess Anna...
But here's the problem: This was written by a follower of Luke. Luke was not one of the original apostles. He was a disciple of Paul. Paul was not one of the original disciples. He was the convert Saul who never met Jesus in life and was only converted after Jesus death. All this is written after-the-fact. That's why I keep asking for OT references only.
Job knew Christ as his redeemer who would resurrect him, a millennia or so before Christ came upon the scene:Job 19:25 As for me, I know that my Redeemer lives, And at the last He will take His stand on the earth. 26”Even after my skin is destroyed, Yet from my flesh I shall see God; 27Whom I myself shall behold, And whom my eyes will see and not another.
Job was talking about God.
Finally: several passages from Isaiah...cross reference them with the prophecy of Simeon...
No, I'm sorry, as soon as you cross-reference into the NT you are talking about writing that occurred after the fact. I am looking for people who knew, before the fact, that the mission of the Messiah was not the re-instating of Israel.
Isaiah is about the fate of Israel, and how it will influence the nations around it. It's not about the Messiah. If you read chapters 51-54 altogether, and not take verses out of context, it's just about Israel.
You make a snarky issue of Christ not asserting himself as the son of God, when asked but in fact the record we have says he did on multiple occaisions.
Oh no I don't, I think he made it very CLEAR that he was the son of God and that Joseph was not his real father. Only with Pilate did he keep quiet.
Christ being on the mission to die so that men would live, couldn’t afford to get caught up into a legal argument questioning his sanity.
No, if he was on a mission to die, all he had to do is say "Yes, I'm the son of God." Insanity defense is a very modern notion.
The world is a sculptor’s shop and all the people in it are statues. There is a rumor going around that some of those statues are going to come to life some day. CS LEWIS.
John 3:16-17:16 For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. 17 For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved.
What a lonely_little_girl needs to grasp before she can become A_PERFECTED_LADY....(a child because...”of such is the Kingdom of Heaven”)
Good-Bye!
No, if he was on a mission to die, all he had to do is say "Yes, I'm the son of God." IF?
He was on that mission, and He accomplished it without doing the thing you claim He should have done.
Amazing; ain't it!
What did Jesus come to do?
To reveal the Father (Matt. 11:27)"All things have been committed to me by my Father. No one knows the Son except the Father, and no one knows the Father except the Son and those to whom the Son chooses to reveal him."
To be a ransom for many (Matt. 20:28) "just as the Son of Man did not come to be served, but to serve, and to give his life as a ransom for many."
To serve (Matt. 20:28) "just as the Son of Man did not come to be served, but to serve, and to give his life as a ransom for many."
To save the world (John 3:17; Luke 19:10) "For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him."
To preach the good news of the kingdom of God (Luke 4:43) "But he said, "I must preach the good news of the kingdom of God to the other towns also, because that is why I was sent."
To bring division (Luke 12:51) "Do you think I came to bring peace on earth? No, I tell you, but division."
To do the will of the Father (John 6:38) "For I have come down from heaven not to do my will but to do the will of him who sent me."
To give the Father's words (John 17:8) "For I gave them the words you gave me and they accepted them. They knew with certainty that I came from you, and they believed that you sent me."
To testify to the truth (John 18:37) "You are a king, then!" said Pilate. Jesus answered, "You are right in saying I am a king. In fact, for this reason I was born, and for this I came into the world, to testify to the truth. Everyone on the side of truth listens to me."
To die and destroy Satan's power (Heb. 2:14) "Since the children have flesh and blood, he too shared in their humanity so that by his death he might destroy him who holds the power of death--that is, the devil."
To destroy the devil's works (1 John 3:8) "He who does what is sinful is of the devil, because the devil has been sinning from the beginning. The reason the Son of God appeared was to destroy the devil's work."
To fulfill the Law and the Prophets (Matt. 5:17) "Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them."
To give life (John 10:10,28) "The thief comes only to steal and kill and destroy; I have come that they may have life, and have it to the full . . . I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one can snatch them out of my hand."
To taste death for everyone (Heb. 2:9) "But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels, now crowned with glory and honor because he suffered death, so that by the grace of God he might taste death for everyone."
To become a high priest (Heb. 2:17) "For this reason he had to be made like his brothers in every way, in order that he might become a merciful and faithful high priest in service to God, and that he might make atonement for the sins of the people."
To atone for sin (Heb. 2:17) "For this reason he had to be made like his brothers in every way, in order that he might become a merciful and faithful high priest in service to God, and that he might make atonement for the sins of the people."
To proclaim freedom for believers (Luke 4:18) "The Spirit of the Lord is on me, because he has anointed me to preach good news to the poor. He has sent me to proclaim freedom for the prisoners and recovery of sight for the blind, to release the oppressed."
To proclaim the year of the Lord's favor (Luke 4:19) "to proclaim the year of the Lord's favor."
To bring judgment (John 9:39) "Jesus said, "For judgment I have come into this world, so that the blind will see and those who see will become blind."
To take away sin (1 John 3:5) "But you know that he appeared so that he might take away our sins. And in him is no sin."
To preach (Mark 1:38) "Jesus replied, 'Let us go somewhere else--to the nearby villages--so I can preach there also. That is why I have come.'"
To call sinners (Mark 2:17) "On hearing this, Jesus said to them, 'It is not the healthy who need a doctor, but the sick. I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners.'"
To know who is true (1 John 5:20) "We know also that the Son of God has come and has given us understanding, so that we may know him who is true. And we are in him who is true--even in his Son Jesus Christ. He is the true God and eternal life."