Posted on 04/17/2014 11:35:37 AM PDT by SkyPilot
U2 frontman Bono talks about his faith and answers the question "Who is Jesus?" in the video below. Click play to watch.
Link Here with Video (2 mins 46 secs)
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LOL. I understand now. You want me to go away.
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Tough.
You are one beautiful soul, Prairiebreeze.
Your words remind me so much of my precious daughter. She has such a lovely and giving heart. She is the greatest earthly blessing of my life. She is so good, and I know I don’t deserve her.
You love our Lord.
Know that you have been in my prayers since yesterday, and will remain so. I pray that Our Lord bless you with His good things, Sweet Child of His.
Such a good and tender soul.
Ha! Good advice at this point, Elsie.
No, actually, I don’t care if you stay or go. I am interacting with you because you addressed me first. I will continue as long as you do, and I will stop responding when you stop addressing. But the point I entered with, way back on page 1, has not changed. The person I originally addressed commented that Jesus was either the son of God, or a madman. My view is that he was neither. I can point to why I came to that conclusion to anyone who wants to know... but only if they really want to know.
“The person I originally addressed commented that Jesus was either the son of God, or a madman. My view is that he was neither. I can point to why I came to that conclusion to anyone who wants to know... but only if they really want to know.”
Have you yet to figure out that we have our answer?
Yes, I know what your answer is. What I’m not sure is why you keep asking me questions to which you really don’t want my answer.
How is it YOU cannot understand? There was no New Testament in the days of Christ. None. Not even a Paul [he was Saul, “a Pharisee of the Pharisees” who was a student of one of the foremost teachers of the Jewish scriptures of his day (Gamaliel)]. Don’t you think the Jews of Christ’s day were at least just as smart and inquisitive as you concerning such a monumental decision about a person many of them had only heard about? Don’t you think they were wondering about the character and nature of THEIR messiah just a “little” more than YOU (unless you were/are a Jew) when it came to deciding about the veracity of Christ’s messiah-ship knowing that accepting Him as such would mean sure persecution and ostracism from friend and foe alike? Every one of the disciples, and then every one of those JEWS who were converted during the early days of the church had ONLY the OT scriptures to assess Christ’s merits. Coupled with Christ’s own life and testimony, these scriptures persuaded them that He was, in fact, their messiah.
But somehow a_perfect_lady has got it in her head that she has a sounder grasp on the OT than these of the early church. You know what that sounds like, don’t you.
Peter responds to those who would question how it is he and the early disciples came to the realization of who Christ was/is:
2Pe 1:16 For we have not followed cunningly devised fables, when we made known unto you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but were eyewitnesses of his majesty.
2Pe 1:17 For he received from God the Father honour and glory, when there came such a voice to him from the excellent glory, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.
2Pe 1:18 And this voice which came from heaven we heard, when we were with him in the holy mount.
2Pe 1:19 We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts:
2Pe 1:20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.
2Pe 1:21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.
Christ’s believers don’t follow some “parallel” version of the OT, but rather its fulfillment. The OT isn’t negated by the NT, it looks forward to it. Now, you really must stop with your argument that all decisions for Christ are born through some negation of the OT. They (the OT scriptures) are the very proof-texts that provide the final support for all discerning believers’ decisions for Christ.
Now, I suppose, you’ll go through THIS post and strain out the gnat (whilst swallowing the camel).
Did you go to the website?
It appears to me that your view is tainted because you seemingly REFUSE to accept anything you cannot 'understand'.
That's fine; as understanding comes at a differing rate for all.
For most of us on this thread; we hope (and pray) that your's does not come too late.
Who needs it, when you've got CHRIST in your midst!!!
John was neither a madman or the Messiah; yet he got himself killed; too.
It appears that RELIGION can be quite a dangerous thing to embrace!
That's right.
Don’t you think the Jews of Christ’s day were at least just as smart and inquisitive as you concerning such a monumental decision about a person many of them had only heard about?
Yes, I do. That's why Jesus was not accepted by most Jews.
Don’t you think they were wondering about the character and nature of THEIR messiah just a “little” more than YOU (unless you were/are a Jew) when it came to deciding about the veracity of Christ’s messiah-ship knowing that accepting Him as such would mean sure persecution and ostracism from friend and foe alike?
Stop there. Think a minute. If he were really the Messiah, persecution and ostracism wouldn't be the reaction. A man who unites the Jews and drives out foreign power will be a hero. And remember, THAT is the Messiah they were looking for.
Every one of the disciples, and then every one of those JEWS who were converted during the early days of the church had ONLY the OT scriptures to assess Christ’s merits. Coupled with Christ’s own life and testimony, these scriptures persuaded them that He was, in fact, their messiah.
Yes! A rather small handful of the population, but nevertheless, he did have followers. And he had them convinced that he was born in Bethlehem (although he was from Nazareth), that his mother was descended from David (which she probably was), and that his father's descent from Solomon didn't really count because that was not his real father.
He did manage to convince a number of people. He gathered together a cabinet of 12 and made his entrance into Jerusalem in a carefully orchestrated parade intended to fulfill yet one more piece of OT prophecy.
However, as I've pointed out, politics is a nasty business... studying the affairs the Tudors and the Medicis ought to be lesson enough.
But somehow a_perfect_lady has got it in her head that she has a sounder grasp on the OT than these of the early church. You know what that sounds like, don’t you.
No I don't. I think they had a very sound grasp and they knew exactly what Jesus was there to do. It's you who thinks you have a sounder grasp on Jesus than the people who actually lived and traveled with him for years.
Peter responds to those who would question how it is he and the early disciples came to the realization of who Christ was/is...
The book of Peter says that Peter said this. This means that whoever wrote the book of Peter wants you to believe that Peter said this. And you do.
But you'd do better to read the NT with an eye toward discovering what the authors felt was important. One of the things they felt was very, very important was that Jesus was born in Bethlehem (in the strangest "census" ever conducted.) Another was that his father was NOT Joseph. Another was that his mother was descended from King David.
Christ’s believers don’t follow some “parallel” version of the OT, but rather its fulfillment.
Christ's modern day believers pick through the OT and look for verses for which they can find a parallel in the NT.
The OT isn’t negated by the NT, it looks forward to it.
It's neither. The NT was written with an eye toward utilizing the OT to make a compelling case, and the two have been groomed constantly since to try and bring them more into alignment by people who were not there and have an agenda utterly different from the original Jesus and his cabinet.
Now, you really must stop with your argument that all decisions for Christ are born through some negation of the OT.
I don't have to stop anything. Not on your word, anyway. If you keep asking questions, I'll keep answering. If you don't like it, stop asking. Having said that, I'm not negating the OT at all. I'm saying that you are interpreting it through the lens of the NT and that renders you unable to see Jesus as his disciples did.
They (the OT scriptures) are the very proof-texts that provide the final support for all discerning believers’ decisions for Christ.
They are proof that people will interpret things to support what they already believe even when they have nothing to do with it. You read the OT like a global warming activist reads carefully chosen data. Look at Isaiah 53:2: 2 For he shall grow up before him as a tender plant, and as a root out of a dry ground: he hath no form nor comeliness; and when we shall see him, there is no beauty that we should desire him.
Either Jesus was ugly, or Isaiah is about Israel, just like it says it is. But Christians routinely claim that the verse before it and the one after it is about Jesus. They never say anything about this one. It doesn't fit their purposes.
No, I didn’t go to the website. I’m using the KJV of the Bible for my references.
Tender plant = root of Jesse
Without form = God
Comeliness no body we desire= crucified Christ
It has nothing to do with Judaism. That is your defense mechanism.
It has to do with obeying Yeshua’s explicit request to follow his commandments. That is the way we rid ourselves of sin.
We follow his “instruction in righteousness.” That is what his word declares his loving Torah to be. That is the very function of his grace, to write his commandments on our hearts. Without that there is no hope for anyone.
It is glaringly obvious that there is a barrier around your heart that has prevented any such writing to occur. You remain in the cult of human substitution for Yehova’s will, substituting your feasts for his, and your ‘righteousness’ for his.
Churchianity leads the way on the broad path to destruction, while his Way leads us on his narrow path that so few manage to find. I know from John 6 that it is not my job to call you, so I await his effort.
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Believing on him means believing what he says. Believing that those that love him follow his commandments.
One cannot honestly declare their belief in him if they reject all that he says. Satan has the same level of belief that you do, and it isn't saving him.
36 But I said unto you, That ye also have seen me, and believe not.
37 All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.
38 For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me.
>> “It appears that RELIGION can be quite a dangerous thing to embrace!” <<
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So why not drop your man made religion, and adopt the way that the Father provided, and that the Son said would prevail as long as the Earth remains?
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Amen! It may sound un-Christ-like to say so, but it may well be time to shake the dust off here as a testimony...
Sow seed...move on...sow seed...move on...It is for God to get the increase.
I follow no religion. I follow a Person. I gather with other like-minded believers to and in His name. Not sure what you are seeing/think you are seeing in my posts...thought I was using His Word to speak about Him...
“And he’s also a wonderful teacher.”
Usually when I see someone who calls Jesus a “wonderful teacher” or something along those lines, it means they don’t believe he was really the son of God.
Too much misinformation to deal with in your post. We are just going around in circles at this point. You are satisfied in your soul with your low estimation of Christ and I am satisfied in mine with a higher one - though I am willing to believe that “the half hath not been told!”
I have been faithful to His word in presenting you with scriptural evidence to refute your arguments. You choose not to believe. I can’t help you and you certainly cannot help me.
Thank you for allowing me the privilege of sharing the gospel with those who have read this thread and may have been encouraged by the “comfort of the scriptures” or those whose curiosity may have been piqued to the point where they pick them up to find out more about the Lover of their souls -The Lord Jesus Christ.
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