Posted on 04/17/2014 11:35:37 AM PDT by SkyPilot
U2 frontman Bono talks about his faith and answers the question "Who is Jesus?" in the video below. Click play to watch.
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That is why I don’t use partial scripture, like dispys and pre-tribbers do.
You will note that I post the whole chapter, after a dispy has posted a verse or sentence from it to make it appear that Torah is being denounced.
In every case it has been shown to be deception.
Well, Elsie, you’re no doubt right about Him being used to insults. Still, it’s hard to witness and not call it out for what it is.
I can respect a person who says, “I think you are a crackpot for believing what you believe.” I get that. I respect their honesty when they speak honestly. But trying to slyly put to shame people for their faith and attempt to undermine what is not known personally by them is sickening. You know what comes to mind, Elsie?
“Hath God REALLY said...”
It’s especially nauseating when the underhanded attempt is seemingly done by trying to show a better understanding of Scripture …. that remains unread. It would be entertaining in a weird sort of way if the costs involved weren’t so high.
Initially, I dared to believe that the questions were legitimate. But once the arrogance and insulting began, the motive became apparent. I think what most of us realize is that no understanding will be forthcoming until there is a change of heart. It worked no differently for any believer, and that was my prayer last night for Lady Perfect. Time is so short. He calls even now.
It’s a beautiful moment when the hardhearted bow before God and ask humbly and with the heart of a little child, “Will You show me?”
It was for this once hardhearted, boastful, prideful, foolish, arrogant and lost soul, anyway. I still remember clearly that exact moment, and I’ve never been the same. Still a sinner, yes, and will be until I’m home, but I am forgiven and I know my Redeemer lives.
If I could give one moment of His peace and love with another person to have them come to Christ, I would. But that’s not possible. One second of His love is all it takes to lay down all for Him.
Sometimes at night, after I’ve prayed, I keep rattling on. And it’s usually something like this: “Oh, my God, how I love You. My Lord, my Lord, I love You so very much. There aren’t words enough to express how grateful I am for Your love. It crushes me and grinds me to nothing and I am so thankful. I love You … I love You … I love You.” Tears are running down my cheeks now. If for one second a person could feel this Love … Oh. I can’t help mself now. It’s too much sometimes and I feel like I will drown in it if I don’t back away, but I can’t. Who can??/ Who can resist Him?
It breaks a person so that He is all they will ever desire again. There’s nothing to compare it to. I know that you know what I mean. And it’s free. And I hate that the world can’t or won’t acknowledge Him and just once taste His love. And I know where they’re going and I know I’m just a sinner who for whatever reason God called to Him. I don’t know how to say what’s in my heart and I know I’m fumbling and stumbling all over my words at this point.
This I know, that my “life” without Him was no life at all. I existed. Troubles seemed to make the whole of that previous life. Jesus comes along and shows me that those things aren’t troubles. He shows me real troubles. Following Him is not for the weak or faint of heart, nor is it for the intellectually lazy.
It will be a beautiful thing to read this kind of post one day: “Oh! I see! I SEE NOW!” by someone who can honestly see that only He is the Perfect Teacher.
Until that day, I will pray it come for this lady, when we can then say, “Welcome, blessed sister. It’s a tough, lonely and brutal walk in this world because we are on the right path. But just taste of what riches await when we finally get home to Him!”
Until then, I’ll lift the name of Jesus. I will defend the beautiful Name Above All Names and my brothers and sisters in Him, and pray that all will come to the knowledge of why His name is held in the highest.
Like I tried to say earlier in this post, but got caught off-guard by emotion, it doesn’t come easy for me to explain. His love is too great to explain because there’s no love outside of His with which to compare. He is worth everything and this world is nothing. Before I knew Him, I could never have imagined such a great love nor the easy death to this world. All the things of this world really amount to garbage. And people want this expressed in a few easy words? There are no words. If this can’t be reduced to words, how in the world can the Supreme Intelligence of His Word be reduced to a few sentences, paragraphs, pages even, on a thread? They can’t. It’s impossible. People have spent their entire lives studying the riches of the Word, and realized at the end that they didn’t come close to getting all that’s there. Ain’t gonna happen in this world.
It takes reading His Word and time in prayer with HIM. Humbly. There is no other way. We can all post until we are blue in the face, overlook the insulting of Him until Kingdom come, but unless a heart submits to Him long enough to ask for Him to answer, then there is no explaining or answer for that person.
I’m pinging you, Lady, to this post, to say to you that I wish you would at least respect His name around those from whom you ask to answer your questions. Enough with the insults already. They aren’t necessary and they make you look mean and foolish. You should have been called out a long time ago. People were kind and generous to you, and you took that for weakness. Bad judgment call on your part. He is the Only Son of the very Living God. There is no redemption for you outside of Him. I know your kind all too well because I have lived a life of being you, and I hated it every bit as much as you appear to hate it now. No one is any different than you other than by His grace and salvation which is free for the humble asking. And that’s exactly where most get hung up – the “humble” part. You wanted answers, so here: Humble yourself before God and cry out to Him. There is no other answer.
In the meantime, and I’m sure I’m not the only one, know that prayers are being prayed for you day and night. Seek Him and you will find Him, but do it while there’s time. You’ve found plenty of ways to try to deny His deity and it can’t be done. He is the Son of God and He’s got His own path that we must take, and “few there be that find it.” If you need a study Bible and it’s inconvenient for you at this time to purchase, I will buy one for you. If you need genuine answers, I will come here and stay day and night until you no longer need answers from another person or until you’ve exhausted what I know. If you need prayer, I will stay on my knees for you. This offer has no expiration date.
Look at the Gospels and make a list of the people who claimed to see him. Notice they are all his supporters. The only one I have noticed who wasn't a supporter was Saul, and he said he saw a bright light and heard voices in his head.
Why didn't Jesus appear before his enemies and prove his point?
Because he was a normal human being and none of us want that.
No, the King James Version of the Bible shows again and again that Jesus avoided the question "Are you the son of God" with answers like "You say I am," and "They say I am" or clamming up altogether. If he was a willing sacrifice, all he had to say was "Yes."
Can you show me the posts where I have been insulting? Because if I was, and didn't mean to be, I'll apologize. Just give me the number of the post, if you will. I have to run some errands, but I'll be back in about an hour and a half.
If you wish to disagree that is OK, but how about answering the obvious deception of using different names in the KJV when both Yeshua our savior and the OT prophet have the same name.
There is no logical reason for that.
And your assertion of showing fruit is grossly overstated. Fruit is missing almost across the board in U.S. churches, especially in mega-churches. The country’s youth are vacating the pews at an astounding rate.
I’m afraid to have to tell you (and everyone reading this) but a-perfect-lady isn’t. You are wrong. You do not understand the scriptures concerning Israel’s messiah. You have either been misinformed or mis-formed your own opinions by (and I say it again) leaning on your own understanding.
I don’t think there has been a deception...I have seen no sources indicating that was the case....Prove it!
That could be.
I’m no Biblical scholar so forgive me if I get this wrong. But it seems Pilate was probably ambivalent on a level deeper than mere intellect.
As for belief, spiritual acceptance is contrasted with intellectual acceptance. You can on an intellectual level know something to be true, but if your spirit rejects it your brain will rationalize its way out of ultimately accepting it.
Jesus asked his disciples, “Who do people say the Son of Man is?”..........And today, He is still asking...
“Who does A_Perfect_Lady say the Son of Man is?”
“A Harmless crackpot”...and that he is not the King of Israel nor the Son of God....
on phone with serious call and will as soon as it’s over. thank you.
You are unable to look at the OT without the influence of the NT. You see everything through Paul-colored glasses, so you cannot see what Jesus' followers saw.
That’s funny because all I did was refer you to the Old Testament book of Isaiah. But, as to your “argument” suggesting that using New Testament “voices” such as Paul (a self-proclaimed “Pharisee of the Pharisees) somehow colors looking at Christ with some sort of bias is absurd. All the New Testament converts (Jesus’s followers) had to go on were the OT scriptures. So looking at what they had to go on (the Old Testament) was enough to convince them of Christ’s claims, His offices, etc. And, I guess His resurrection might have also influenced their considerations somewhat, as well.
These early Christians were all Jews and weren’t looking at Christ to prove the scriptures but in looking at the scriptures they proved Christ.
But, of course, Christ had to deal with objections such as yours in the days of His flesh:
John 5:38 And ye have not his word abiding in you: for whom he hath sent, him ye believe not.
John 5:39 Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.
Okay, maybe this is the problem: I am trying to get you to see the OT scriptures through the eyes of someone living in Jesus' time, but who is not yet familiar with Jesus himself. I'm pretty sure I said this before, but it's a long thread, so I'll say it again.
Imagine Jesus has not yet been born. It's still 4-5 years away. You are a Jewish man living in Jerusalem, hating the Roman occupation, dreaming of the day a Messiah will come and help unite the squabbling Jewish factions. How will you recognize him? What do the prophets say about the Messiah?
Well, what is there to say.
I think you know, and that it’s obvious to others by now that you look like a cultist if not a practical joker.
Come to think of it, Satan is a “practical joker.”
Watching is to “observe the feasts” huh? Forget about the myriad other signs of divine activity in the world, it’s gotta be the feasts, feasts, feasts. And gotta lay on that law real heavy — forget that the Israelites (quibbles aside) were warned that they couldn’t keep the law and if they hadn’t been so doggone proud and agreed... well that probably would have been the point the Savior was revealed. But the story played out differently. Nobody can keep the law. If you are counting on coming to keep the law to establish your salvation, you are headed to hell.
BUT! IF you trust Christ to bring you a PERSONAL SALVATION then you will be headed to heaven. No if’s, and’s, or buts. No matter how troubled your performance.
Were you aware that to sincere Christians, everything undertaken for the sake of the Lord is an offering to the Lord? Trying to narrow it down to some legalistic feasts is ridiculously short sighted! Ridiculous. Don’t go to hell.
Well I’m calling you out as a cultist. But you do not need to stay one.
Classic Christianity announces that Jesus came to bring a paradigm shift.
The Jewish people were an illustration of pride. They claimed to the Lord that they could keep the commandments. The Lord took them at face value knowing jolly well they couldn’t. It was a deal they could never keep.
Jesus came to tell sinners that knew they were mired in sin, that He would bring them out of their sin. And went to the cross to prove it.
You can’t expect to see the Jesus of Christianity to be projected out of Jewish “tradition” even though He did appear as hints and more in Scripture.
Once again, another great post that I thoroughly enjoyed reading. Jesus does indeed, get all the glory, He is so worthy. AMEN!
I’m glad that I ventured back for a quick thread check, to see if anybody was still trying to get through to Lady despite her circular dodging and weaving.... and I came across your post.
Indeed, Lady would no doubt be astounded at the numbers of people who are praying for her at this point. Your offers of continued help and the study bible were beautiful and they glorify our Lord.
I look forward to meeting you someday Claire, my sister in Christ.
Okay, sure. So let's take a look at that moment just before the paradigm shift. How did they recognize him as the Messiah? Before the paradigm shift?
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