Posted on 04/17/2014 11:35:37 AM PDT by SkyPilot
U2 frontman Bono talks about his faith and answers the question "Who is Jesus?" in the video below. Click play to watch.
Link Here with Video (2 mins 46 secs)
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And of course
“Ye who love the Lord... HATE evil.”
I’m hating evil.
Anyhow I never expect a good evaluation out of Satan, and I don’t expect it out of you either.
Just to comment on the video......One thing which stood out to me was Bono spoke with conviction....he believes what he believes, he was not just stringing words together to make them fit the interview.
The Lord many times has worked his works through the least of those people we would imagine.
I think of how the woman in Jesus day knew the child would be born, and no doubt the elites then thought they might be chosen...but then he chose a simple farm gal.......when Moses was called it wasn’t when he had wealth surrounding him..but from the backside of the dessert. John the baptist came out of the wilderness, and the list can go on and on.
I tend to think that Bono likely has a stronger way of engaging those without Christ then the man who interviewed him.
We are all on the same level before the Cross of Christ....God is not limited by mans idea of what a Christian should be...he uses the willing at any moment of his choosing...scars and all.
There will not be so much as one soul that uses the false term “legalist” found among the elect on the sea of fire and glass.
By exempting themselves from Yeshua’s sincerest demands, they qualify for the full benefits of Matthew 7:23.
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>> “I tend to think that Bono likely has a stronger way of engaging those without Christ then the man who interviewed him.” <<
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No kidding! His face radiated arrogant unbelief, and I am sure that is why he has the job he does.
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As the thread is dying, I’d like to make some parting comments. First, thank you for your questions. Wittingly or not you have engaged the Socratic method. However, during your questions, you entered two premises that are in error. I left them unchallenged because I was interested in the course of the arguments that resulted.
First, you began the controversy by introducing what you identified as a third option. Your third option is merely a subset of “Jesus was crazy”. As a politician, the methods chosen by Jesus were invariably the worse possible choices and the worst possible arguments if he were intending to amass political power.
Second, your construct that Christianity made no sense because Hebrews were expecting a Kingdom to be established. The statement is true but it is only a subset of the entire biblical record in the old testament.
The bible does not start with Moses and Mt Sinai. The current age biblical history begins with Noah followed by Abraham.The first covenant was made by God with Noah in that God promises extended to all life on earth. The covenant with Abraham was a promise for the whole world and describes God’s intentions:
Gen 12:3 and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed.
Again in Exodus, God proclaims His mission to the Hebrews:
Exodus 19:5 Now therefore, if ye will obey my voice indeed, and keep my covenant, then ye shall be a peculiar treasure unto me above all people: for all the earth is mine:
The God of Abraham and Moses has shown that he cares for the whole world, not just the Hebrews.
I teach my kids that the hardest thing about good arguments is that you need to be aware of your biases and your own personal methods for making conclusions. We all have biases some that we are aware of and some that we are not. We all have a method for gathering information, processing that information and using it to make a conclusion. It is impossible for any of us to avoid having our biases affect our establishing our premises and very difficult to see the flaws in our processing toward a conclusion.
You make the same error in arriving at your premise twice in your thinking. You find a subset of something to be your premise without considering that your have narrowed your premise to exclude other possibilities. Or you think you have discovered a new population but it is merely a subset.
The second error in your thinking is a process one. You have stated your premise and your logic that by definition excludes any evidence that contradicts. You accept parts of the NT as true but exclude parts that you believe are false. If we are working with a premise that documents have been significantly altered we are done with them as a source. If we establish that someone is lying, their testimony has no value or worse it is misleading. Regarding the OT, you accept your interpretation of the OT but exclude from evidence anything that departs from it.
Indeed it is. I only added the other verse to provide further explanation.
1. Messiah was to be born in Bethlehem —Micah 5?2
2. Messiah was to be born of a virgin — Isaiah 7:14
3.Messiah was to be a prophet like Moses— Deut 18:15,18,19
4. Messiah was to enter Jerusalem in triumph — Zech 9:9
5. Messiah was to be rejected by His own people — Isaiah 53:1,3, Psalm 118:22
6.Messiah would be betrayed by one of his followers—Psalm 41:9
7.Messiah was to be tried and condemned — Isaiah 53:8
8. Messiah was to be silent before his accusers —Isaiah 53:7
9.Messiah was to be struck and spat on — Isaiah 50:6
10. Messiah was to be mocked and insulted — Psalm 22:7,8
11. Messiah was to die by crucifixion — Psalm 22:14, 16,17
12. Messiah was to suffer with criminals and pray for his enemies — Isaiah 53:12
13. Messiah was to be given vinegar and gall — Psalm 69:21
14. Others were to cast lots of Messiah’s garment— Psalm 22:18
15. Messiah’s bones were not to be broken — Exodus 12:46
16. Messiah was to die as a sacrifice for sin — Isaiah 53: 5,6,8,10,11,12
17. Messiah was to be raised from the dead — Psalm 16:10
18. Messiah is now at God’s right Han — Psalm 110:1
Now, you can choose to be like poor Bill O’Reilly and cherry-pick which prophecies or verses suit your beliefs and which don’t, if you want. I believe that these have been fulfilled...all of them. If one is fulfilled, then they all are. (I believe I have correctly typed the verse references, if there are mistakes, they are typo’s)
The OT is literally filled with foreshadowing of Jesus Christ. I believe God was pleased with Judah's repentance.
Thanks for that list.
You’re welcome
Amen and amen.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L-OR5Ors23M#t=23
I didn't know that Bono was raised by a Catholic father and a Protestant mother, considered a "mixed marriage" in Ireland during the 1960's.
Heb.3
[1] Wherefore, holy brethren, partakers of the heavenly calling, consider the Apostle and High Priest of our profession, Christ Jesus;
[2] Who was faithful to him that appointed him, as also Moses was faithful in all his house.
[3] For this man was counted worthy of more glory than Moses, inasmuch as he who hath builded the house hath more honour than the house.
[4] For every house is builded by some man; but he that built all things is God.
[5] And Moses verily was faithful in all his house, as a servant, for a testimony of those things which were to be spoken after;
[6] But Christ as a son over his own house; whose house are we, if we hold fast the confidence and the rejoicing of the hope firm unto the end.
[7] Wherefore (as the Holy Ghost saith, To day if ye will hear his voice,
[8] Harden not your hearts, as in the provocation, in the day of temptation in the wilderness:
[9] When your fathers tempted me, proved me, and saw my works forty years.
[10] Wherefore I was grieved with that generation, and said, They do alway err in their heart; and they have not known my ways.
[11] So I sware in my wrath, They shall not enter into my rest.)
[12] Take heed, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief, in departing from the living God.
[13] But exhort one another daily, while it is called To day; lest any of you be hardened through the deceitfulness of sin.
[14] For we are made partakers of Christ, if we hold the beginning of our confidence stedfast unto the end;
[15] While it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts, as in the provocation.
[16] For some, when they had heard, did provoke: howbeit not all that came out of Egypt by Moses.
[17] But with whom was he grieved forty years? was it not with them that had sinned, whose carcases fell in the wilderness?
[18] And to whom sware he that they should not enter into his rest, but to them that believed not?
[19] So we see that they could not enter in because of unbelief.
Heb.4
[1] Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it.
[2] For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.
[3] For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.
[4] For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works.
[5] And in this place again, If they shall enter into my rest.
[6] Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief:
[7] Again, he limiteth a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts.
[8] For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day.
[9] There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.
[10] For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.
[11] Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.
Surely Paul is in error! - If there be nothing required of us how can we fail?
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Among Catholics it would still be a mixed marriage.
CCC:
Mixed marriages and disparity of cult
1633 In many countries the situation of a mixed marriage (marriage between a Catholic and a baptized non-Catholic) often arises. It requires particular attention on the part of couples and their pastors. A case of marriage with disparity of cult (between a Catholic and a non-baptized person) requires even greater circumspection.
1634 Difference of confession between the spouses does not constitute an insurmountable obstacle for marriage, when they succeed in placing in common what they have received from their respective communities, and learn from each other the way in which each lives in fidelity to Christ. But the difficulties of mixed marriages must not be underestimated. They arise from the fact that the separation of Christians has not yet been overcome. The spouses risk experiencing the tragedy of Christian disunity even in the heart of their own home. Disparity of cult can further aggravate these difficulties. Differences about faith and the very notion of marriage, but also different religious mentalities, can become sources of tension in marriage, especially as regards the education of children. The temptation to religious indifference can then arise.
1635 According to the law in force in the Latin Church, a mixed marriage needs for liceity the express permission of ecclesiastical authority.137 In case of disparity of cult an express dispensation from this impediment is required for the validity of the marriage.138 This permission or dispensation presupposes that both parties know and do not exclude the essential ends and properties of marriage; and furthermore that the Catholic party confirms the obligations, which have been made known to the non-Catholic party, of preserving his or her own faith and ensuring the baptism and education of the children in the Catholic Church.139
1636 Through ecumenical dialogue Christian communities in many regions have been able to put into effect a common pastoral practice for mixed marriages. Its task is to help such couples live out their particular situation in the light of faith, overcome the tensions between the couple’s obligations to each other and towards their ecclesial communities, and encourage the flowering of what is common to them in faith and respect for what separates them.
1637 In marriages with disparity of cult the Catholic spouse has a particular task: “For the unbelieving husband is consecrated through his wife, and the unbelieving wife is consecrated through her husband.”140 It is a great joy for the Christian spouse and for the Church if this “consecration” should lead to the free conversion of the other spouse to the Christian faith.141 Sincere married love, the humble and patient practice of the family virtues, and perseverance in prayer can prepare the non-believing spouse to accept the grace of conversion.
It's harder, I've found, to unteach false conceptions about Jesus than it is to write on an empty slate about Him.
I asked ind 254. You replied to 251.
Perhaps we are just all tangled up with the numbers. Sometimes I pass up replying to something 'til a bit later, when another post pushes me over the threshold; and then I reply using the later number as well.
No problem.
Just being normal humans I guess.
You expect something from Jesus. Has He fulfilled it yet?
John 3:18
Please forgive E-S.
He is a law-keeping, Jewish wanna_be that wants others to call him a protestant.
Had Satan figured out what the crucifixion was going to accomplish, he would have aborted it.
Come on and admit it...
You're really that ALIEN guy on H2; right??
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