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1 posted on 04/16/2014 5:42:00 PM PDT by Jim Robinson
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The government is deliberately acting in contravention of the Federal Land Policy and Management Act (FLPMA) of 1976. The people of the West need to stand up in opposition to their organized criminal activity.


2 posted on 04/16/2014 5:45:47 PM PDT by centurion316
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1866 Water Law/ USC CHAPTER 15 §661

U.S. v. Estate of E. Wayne Hage


4 posted on 04/16/2014 5:48:01 PM PDT by Para-Ord.45 (Americans, happy in tutelage by the reflection that they have chosen their own dictators.)
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So, they hold that the tortoise is not harmed by grazing but won't take a position on the listing and subsequent rulings?

Typical trade association, a bunch of cowardly weasels playing musical chairs with FedGov running the sound.

5 posted on 04/16/2014 5:51:01 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (The tree of liberty needs a rope.)
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NOW they issue a statement


6 posted on 04/16/2014 5:51:46 PM PDT by dontreadthis
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Absent all of this is, as always when around liberals, any common sense. For example, in the range land that the BLM has been steadily working on closing to all grazing for nearly a generation, to supposedly protect a desert turtle, the common sense question is: If the land was much more heavily grazed in the past, how was it that there are any turtles there today? Wouldn’t they have been wiped out in the past by the very grazing that the BLM wishes to quash?

Then again, the same story applies to lots of pet projects - owls, for example, in a logging forest. Somehow these creatures have survived (and thrived) in the environment which now must be changed (eliminate logging, eliminate grazing, eliminate ATVs) so that they can survive - well, umm, how are they there today if those activities actually drastically impacted on them? Oh, right, they didn’t.

But hey, there’s millions and millions to be made off of closing public land and then letting the protected few come in later (special use projects like say a huge solar farm...)


7 posted on 04/16/2014 5:52:08 PM PDT by kingu (Everything starts with slashing the size and scope of the federal government.)
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***In Bundy’s case the designation of his grazing area as a critical habitat for the endangered desert tortoise gave the BLM the rationale they needed to order a 500% decrease in his cattle numbers.***

Maybe this is Obama’s way to decrease cows from passing gas, decrease the cows!


9 posted on 04/16/2014 5:56:29 PM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Sometimes you need 7+ more ammo. LOTS MORE.)
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Better late than never. Really it is.


10 posted on 04/16/2014 5:57:36 PM PDT by Psalm 144 (FIGHT! FIGHT! SEVERE CONSERVATIVE AND THE WILD RIGHT!)
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The Fed judge that signed this order needs to be brought to heel. When he signed this he knew it wasn’t right and it could blow up into a political hot potato. He wrote it as a permissive order for the BLM to carryout with the Sheriffs help. Given contracts, Federal land, and asset forfeiture it would have been the U.S. Marshall’s Service to service and enforce. But, the judge did not want the court to be involved and therefore gave it to BLM so it would no be seen as a court action. This is telling and this judge should be questioned. Federal judges are political beast. Was he compromised by Dingy Harry? What other similar orders did he sign in the past? Did Harry push his confirmation to the Federal bench through?


11 posted on 04/16/2014 5:58:15 PM PDT by DeWalt (Times are more like they used to be than they are today.)
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Wiki:

“The United States recognizes two types of water rights. Although use and overlap varies over time and by state, the western arid states generally follow the doctrine of prior appropriation, while water rights for the eastern states follow riparian law.”

“The legal details vary from state to state; however, the general principle is that water rights are unconnected to land ownership, and can be sold or mortgaged like other property. The first person to use a quantity of water from a water source for a beneficial use has the right to continue to use that quantity of water for that purpose. Subsequent users can use the remaining water for their own beneficial purposes provided that they do not impinge on the rights of previous users.”


12 posted on 04/16/2014 6:00:22 PM PDT by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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So where’s ‘This Land Is Your Land’ Brucy Springsteen and the rest of the ‘music industry’ on this matter? Didn’t they come out for the ‘farmers’ years ago? *Crickets*


18 posted on 04/16/2014 6:09:01 PM PDT by RushIsMyTeddyBear (Great vid by ShorelineMike! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KOZjJk6nbD4&feature=plcp)
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While this cartoon was originally intended to depict the Soviet-Finnish Winter War, it can easily represent what is happening here in the US.

22 posted on 04/16/2014 6:18:00 PM PDT by Stonewall Jackson (I aim to misbehave.)
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A friend of mine told me that Texas has no land owned by the federal government. Don’t know if that is true but this was interesting.

http://www.blm.gov/wo/st/en/info/socioeconomic/states/texas.html

Looks like their are no federal grazing or timber interests in Texas.


25 posted on 04/16/2014 6:29:56 PM PDT by Slyfox
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Thank you for continuing to keep us updated on this most important matter.

During the course of the day I am not able to hear or pull up the news, and for obvious reason, this standoff made history and I want to know how it is continuing to shake out.


33 posted on 04/16/2014 7:07:12 PM PDT by gettinolder
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35 posted on 04/16/2014 7:10:08 PM PDT by martin_fierro (< |:)~)
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“The situation in Nevada stands as an example (of) the federal agencies’ steady trend toward elevating environmental and wildlife issues over livestock grazing,” reads the statement from Ron Torell, the cattlemen’s group president.

I stand with Bundy. Having said that, in Colorado, these are some of the same folks who groom their land for elk and won't let me hunt there if I don't have $8000 for the tags that the DOW gives them to do with as they please. They have, in many cases, made a deal with the devil after a fashion. I have had the red a$$ about that for years.

Now we are on the same page about being cut out from access.

38 posted on 04/16/2014 7:36:15 PM PDT by MileHi
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gave the BLM the rationale they needed to order a 500% decrease in his cattle numbers.

No quantity of anything in the universe can be decreased by more than 100%. Either the BLM is mathematically incompetant or the journalist is.

42 posted on 04/16/2014 8:19:54 PM PDT by bkopto (Free men are not equal. Equal men are not free.)
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We can’t “eat local buy local” with the Feds running farms and ranchers out of business.


48 posted on 04/17/2014 12:16:18 AM PDT by RginTN
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Does the “federally-protected” desert tortoise feed as many human beings as Bundy’s cattle do?

Nope.

So which one is more important. That’s an easy one.


50 posted on 04/17/2014 8:42:12 AM PDT by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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“...The BLM halted its roundup Saturday as gun-toting militia and protesters in support of Bundy converged on a corral... “

How about “...The “heavily armed, assault rifle and machine gun-equipped BLM, complete with armed helicopter air support, halted it’s illegal theft of private property...”

There... fixed it.

Figured we owed them the correction for the “gun-toting militia” remark.


51 posted on 04/17/2014 8:45:44 AM PDT by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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The Feds control 8r4% of the land mass of Nevada.

That amounts to more than 4 acres for the Feds & one acre for the citizens.


53 posted on 04/17/2014 11:03:17 AM PDT by ridesthemiles
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