Posted on 04/06/2014 6:12:39 PM PDT by wonkowasright
In the new war of beliefs, Putin is saying, it is Russia that is on God’s side. The West is Gomorrah.
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I agree with some of your points but I would never presume to speak for God's will for America's future or to presume His continued forbearance in the face of our open defiance of Him. America has sacrificed more innocent babies to Moloch than all the people slaughtered by the Soviets. The USSR was harshly judged by its total collapse, while the United States continues unrepentant along its rebellious and apostate path.
I don't buy the Leftist/Ron Paul/Pat Buchanan blame America approach in general or regarding Putin's aggression in particular. Buchanan has already expressed a kind of sympathy for Putin's deep regret for the breakup of the USSR. But the USSR was, as Reagan sad, an evil empire, that slaughtered tens of millions of its own people and was a constant threat to the rest of the world. America's shortcoming and failures do not justify Putin's aggression against free and sovereign countries. Apparently he is about to begin military exercises in our hemisphere in cold-war fashion. China and North Korea and Iran are looking on with great interest.
You speak of Russia's communist history while ignoring America's murderous present. It is America which permits, sanctions and proselytizes for unlimited abortion and sodomite "marriage" and restricts religious freedom in its armed forces and public life. It is Russia which now restricts abortion and homosexuality while sanctioning and encouraging religious expression in its armed forces and public life. Regardless of whether Russia's positive actions are sincere, our anti-Christian policies are very real.
As for the so-called "blame America approach" that you decry, there is no denying that NATO shifted from its chartered defensive stance against the threat of Soviet invasion to a strategy of offensive encirclement of Russia after the USSR's collapse. NATO promised Moscow that it would not expand eastward if Russian troops were withdrawn from the former Soviet bloc nations. Russia withdrew, and NATO then absorbed 12 new treaty members along Russia's frontier in 1999 and 2004. NATO's audacious play for southern encirclement along the Black Sea has now been thwarted by Russia, first in Georgia in 2008 and now in Crimea in 2014. So tell me, who has provoked whom?
And as for Putin's expressed regret over the USSR's dissolution, he explained it is over the millions of Russians now isolated in those former SSRs. We may choose to accept that explanation or not, but context is necessary if we are to be honest.
Enough already with Buchanan's shortsighted isolationism and blaming America first. The American People need to do what it takes to right this ship, build a strong military defense, get back to the free market wealth, while continuing to stand to help free and sovreign countries against aggressors like Putin.
I'm all for righting our ship, building a strong defense, getting back to free market wealth and encouraging freedom around the world by our example and through free trade. But I am opposed to offensive meddling in the affairs of other nations and the continued squandering of our youth and (borrowed) treasure in foolhardy wars and nation building. We who espouse and defend the Monroe Doctrine here in our own hemisphere should see the hypocrisy in our own meddling in Eurasian affairs. And we who have overextended ourselves to the point of exhaustion and bankruptcy must now recognize the very real physical and financial limits upon such continued adventurism.
But my bottom line question about Ukraine is this: Are you prepared to commit to total war against Russia over the future of Ukraine? If you are not, then all other calls for action are hollow and we'd be better served by limiting our proclamations to those which we are fully committed to honoring to the very end.
I have arrived at the same conclusion. Twenty plus years of constant foreign wars have left us with nothing to show but dead and mangled veterans, destroyed and worn out weapon systems, ships, aircraft and equipment, crushing debt, looming bankruptcy and financial enslavement, and ever more embittered enemies throughout the world. This is exactly what Buchanan warned would happen back at a time when I didn't want to believe it. Now many Americans believe we should do more of the same in order to achieve a better result...
People need to do what Paul in Galatians and Jude in his book says: get back to the gospel of grace and "earnestly contend for the faith that was once delivered to the saints."
Because of Jesus perfect sacrifice, God isn't mad at anyone. This misinterpretation of God as an "angry God" comes form those who have "forgotten they were purged form their sins" (1 Peter 1:9) and live in guilt and condemnation that doesn't come from God because God says, "There is now no more condemnation" (Rom 8:1).
Misrepresenting God as an angry God is problematic. It kept Moses from entering the Promised Land and those attitudes can keep people from realizing their God-given destiny. God had Moses strike the rock the first time (representing Jesus being stricken) and to SPEAK to the rock the second time (representing how we can come to the throne of grace to find grace and mercy from a loving God). Instead, the second time, Moses got angry and stuck the rock misrepresenting that God is still angry and needed to continue to strike Jesus. Because of that serious misrepresentation, Moses failed to enter the Promised Land. Should give one pause.
Actually I understand that all such ‘freedoms’ as we have are permissive. The laws are on the books, right now, to shut down each and everyone of our freedoms the instant the uniparty feels threatened.
You are deluding yourself that we still are what we once were.
Sentimentality and false prophecy and a state religion will NOT alter the course we are on.
This nation is a pump of decadence, violence and globalist servitude.
Until the filth is scoured out HERE, we are better off raising a plague flag over the dominant culture and most especially Versailles on the Potomac.
Well, I don't know how badly Obama has damaged our military. But yes, we should be ready to stand agaisnt Putin's aggression in the Ukraine at least. Despite our shortcomings, we still stand as a sentinel for freedom in the world. And despite the likes of Pat Buchanan, who I generally admire and respect, but not when it comes to foreign policy, it is also in America's best interest to do so. You either stop an aggressor against a free and sovereign country over there, or you are battling the same guy right here as we would have had we not entered WWII when we did.
Does it need to be "total war?" No becasue Russia is still a lot of show of hardware but economically very weak and would almost certainly back down if confronted with greater force. But Putin as tested the lukewarm Obama waters and found them favorable to his purposes. Reagan called their bluff and won. It's the same bluff now. We should stand up to them regardless but we are stronger than they are. As for as NATO, they were not nor ever have been, a means of aggression. NATO is a defensive block against the likes of USSR and Russia. Nothing wrong with that.
I do not share your guilt-ridden approach of surrender to the enemy. Obama has definitely made a beachhead of guilt and angst in this country and sadly, many Americans are steeped in the “we’re so bad” mentality. As someone else pointed out, that was exactly the same approach the old USSR was trying to invoke. But Reagan didn’t buy it and neither do I. Our straightening out the issues that face us domestically does not preclude our standing up to the likes of aggressors like Putin.
Gott mit uns, you say.
God is not mocked, I say.
We will both probably live long enough to see which is truth.
>>> How odd that you assume I haven’t read the Bible.
Oh I didn’t assume that... My preface on you having not read your bible was just a tit for tat because you told me to read mine.
My real assumption was that u didn’t UNDERSTAND the difference between God’s “Chosen People” and Christ’s Bride.
It is during the tribulation period where God finally brings His Chosen People to realize that they had already crucified and rejected the very savior they have been waiting for. (i.e. the 144,000 witnesses or “remnant” of Israel during the tribulation)
And of course our media is much more honest? Right?
Ditto answer as above.
Baby gene's got something a bit STRONGER than milk in his baby bottle. Burp.
Well, you need to read your bible again — specifically the part where it warns against goofy private interpretations.
And selfish people do the same. As you say, they take on the character and beliefs of the beast system (I appreciate that concept).
Taking on the character and beliefs (i.e. mark) of the beast system just to get along and avoid becoming a target of destruction is a fairly seductive option in these last days.
Yes.
HA! It's possible He's using Putin like He used Israel's enemies for chastisement when he had placed a nation under His rebuke in the OT. Obamalek and KookyKerry in particular are provoking Him per Genesis 12:3. The more they push Israel, the bolder Putin seems to become. There are no coincidences. Putin is making a fool of them both.
Once the Lord used an enemy nation for chastisement, He would judge it as well and hold it accountable for it’s terrible acts. Russia is no different.
History shows that God uses other nations as a method of judgment so...
How much more chastisement is headed our way, seeing that we are not only on the receiving end of judgment from other nations, but from our own “democratically elected” government?
I have been wondering if that number of the beast isn’t more akin to the writing on the wall. That is, by the time the message (number) is openly displayed and understood, it’s game over. Kind of like, if ya hafta explain it, there’s no point.
Name = reputation, character. Number = reputation, character (IOW to “have someone’s number” means to be aware of a person’s true character, and it’s not a good one). Mark = an etched-in trait, rooted in the word for character.
Name, number, mark = in one accord with the beast system and its utter hatred for truth, mercy, love, and the real peace that is a natural result of embracing the laws of God.
One might argue that Russia has already been judged by the collapse of the former Soviet Union and the aftermath of chaos, squalor and humiliation that followed for more than a decade afterward. Perhaps there's more to come, or perhaps the Russians have learned and have repented of their institutional moral sins (as evidenced by their pro-life and pro-family laws). On the other hand, America is a nation that refuses to repent and has yet to be judged.
This.
So, is Pat saying that Whittaker Chambers wanted a reborn Orthodox Russia to rule the world? Or was he perhaps condemning Soviet imperialism as a continuation of the "Third Rome" doctrine?
Pat Buchanan is on the side of an ethno-cultural-civilizational European "gxd," not an Objectively True and Living G-d.
Do not be fooled into thinking that Russia has Israel’s best interests at heart.
Also, do not assume that the US is still one which blesses Israel. The fact is that this nation is guilty of electing leaders who are clearly against Israel... so If Obama uses his power against God’s chosen, we as a nation will pay the penalty... as it was with Bush’s betrayal of Israel and the aftermath we know as Katrina.
Pat Buchanan and his "amen corner" hate Israel's guts. Many of them even think that all our troubles (including such domestic problems as abortion and "gay rights") are because the Israelis who "secretly rule the world" ordered their liberal minions to push that stuff.
Unfortunately, it should be Jerusalem and not the third, second, or first Rome that should be a beacon in a dark world. Unfortunately it is not. The state founded in 1948 is a secular, Hellenized, western-style "democracy," not a Torah-true Halakhic state. When is the last time you heard an Israeli politician defend Israel by invoking G-d and the Torah?
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