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Investigators Suspect Missing Airlines Plane Flew On for Hours (Update!)
The Wall Street Journal ^ | March 13, 2014 | Andy Pasztor And Jon Ostrower

Posted on 03/13/2014 1:56:01 PM PDT by CedarDave

Investigators Believe Plane Flew On for Total of Up to Five Hours

U.S. investigators suspect that Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 stayed in the air for up to four hours past the time it reached its last confirmed location, according to two people familiar with the details, raising the possibility that the plane could have flown on for hundreds of additional miles under conditions that remain murky.

The investigators believe the plane flew for a total of up to five hours, according to these people, based on analysis of signals sent by the Boeing 777's satellite-communication link designed to automatically transmit the status of certain onboard systems to the ground.

Throughout the roughly four hours after the jet dropped from civilian radar screens, these people said, the link operated in a kind of standby mode and sought to establish contact with a satellite or satellites. These transmissions did not include data, they said, but the periodic contacts indicate to investigators that the plane was still intact and believed to be flying.

Corrections & Amplifications U.S. investigators suspect Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 flew for hours past the time it reached its last confirmed location, based on an analysis of signals sent through the plane's satellite-communication link designed to automatically transmit the status of onboard systems, according to people familiar with the matter. An earlier version of this article incorrectly said investigators based their suspicions on signals from monitoring systems embedded in the plane's Rolls-Royce PLC engines and described that process.

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TOPICS: Extended News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: iran; malaysia; mh370; waronterror
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U.S. Investigators Suspect Missing Malaysia Airlines Plane Flew On for Hours

1 posted on 03/13/2014 1:56:01 PM PDT by CedarDave
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Okay, this helps some. That bit about the engines transmitting for four more hours was denied early on by RR and Boeing but it still spread like wildfire.

This thing could well be on land somewhere. Note, I didn’t say it landed but simply that it could be ashore somewhere.


2 posted on 03/13/2014 1:59:14 PM PDT by FAA
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To: CedarDave

Uhn huh

And there are records of unconfirmed blips from the other air radars in the area.

We had no assets in the area that recorded anything?

Okay...


3 posted on 03/13/2014 1:59:39 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway-Enjoy Yourself ala Louis Prima)
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To: FAA

The key to this “mystery” is to find it, before it finds us.


4 posted on 03/13/2014 2:01:05 PM PDT by C210N (When people fear government there is tyranny; when government fears people there is liberty)
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To: CedarDave

I get the feeling there is MUCH more going on here than the Malaysian Government wants to say.

Not being said in the hyperbolic western press is that the government went after, and convicted, several opposition leaders on what many believe are trumped-up charges, from Sodomy to Sedition, in the last few months.


5 posted on 03/13/2014 2:02:09 PM PDT by tcrlaf (Well, it is what the Sheeple voted for....)
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I read a report earlier that said there were only two 30-minute engine data transmissions - around take off and approaching cruising altitude.


6 posted on 03/13/2014 2:05:45 PM PDT by CedarDave (Obama - "That's the good thing as a President, I can do whatever I want" (02/10/14 declaration))
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I keep thinking that this sounds similar to the Payne Stewart incident, where a sudden decompression of the cabin happened, immediately killing everyone on board. However, that doesn't explain why the transponder was turned off.

Where is Columbo when we need him?

7 posted on 03/13/2014 2:06:14 PM PDT by GreenHornet
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If they can determine which satellites and a time stamp, they should be able to deduce course direction.


8 posted on 03/13/2014 2:08:37 PM PDT by CedarDave (Obama - "That's the good thing as a President, I can do whatever I want" (02/10/14 declaration))
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4 hours at 500 mph — incredibly large search area
9 posted on 03/13/2014 2:11:00 PM PDT by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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Look for it at a remote landing strip in I R A N......................
10 posted on 03/13/2014 2:12:21 PM PDT by Red Badger (LIberal is an oxymoron......................)
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I read a report earlier that said there were only two 30-minute engine data transmissions - around take off and approaching cruising altitude.

That is exactly what Malaysian Airways has reported - there were two and only two data transmissions that they knew about - takeoff and cruise. They know of no others - the speculation is contagious.

Those engines don't transmit continuously - they transmit at significant events or every 30 minutes.

Not sure if there's a way to turn that off from the cockpit. If there is, then the hijacking theory still has legs.

If not, then there's no way to fly for 4+ more hours without that data being transmitted, and no reason (that I can see) for RR or Boeing or Malaysian Airways to cover it up.

that means nosedive or massive explosion.

11 posted on 03/13/2014 2:13:07 PM PDT by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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They probably already have, but are not telling us because it would have global ramifications.............I R A N..........Hacked Drone..................sound familiar?

Imagine if the world found out that ALL 777 or similar aircraft could be electronically hijacked with no warning........


12 posted on 03/13/2014 2:14:34 PM PDT by Red Badger (LIberal is an oxymoron......................)
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To: GreenHornet
I keep thinking that this sounds similar to the Payne Stewart incident, where a sudden decompression of the cabin happened, immediately killing everyone on board. However, that doesn't explain why the transponder was turned off.

Investigators of the Payne Stewart incident never concluded the speed of the decompression - whether it was slow or rapid. A commercial airliner's oxygen systems are automatic and should deploy when the cabin pressure exceeds a certain altitude - something not required of private jets. They also deploy for the pilots. At 35,000' the time of useful consciousness is from 30 to 60 seconds.

A rapid decompression could reduce that by half, though, if air is forced out of the lungs due to the decompression - source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_of_useful_consciousness

13 posted on 03/13/2014 2:15:21 PM PDT by IYAS9YAS (Has anyone seen my tagline? It was here yesterday. I seem to have misplaced it.)
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To: Red Badger

That’s at least 3500 miles. Not bloody likely, considering they’d have to fly over India, who might notice.


14 posted on 03/13/2014 2:16:02 PM PDT by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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To: IYAS9YAS
I keep thinking that this sounds similar to the Payne Stewart incident, where a sudden decompression of the cabin happened, immediately killing everyone on board. However, that doesn't explain why the transponder was turned off. Investigators of the Payne Stewart incident never concluded the speed of the decompression - whether it was slow or rapid. A commercial airliner's oxygen systems are automatic and should deploy when the cabin pressure exceeds a certain altitude - something not required of private jets. They also deploy for the pilots. At 35,000' the time of useful consciousness is from 30 to 60 seconds.

A rapid decompression could reduce that by half, though, if air is forced out of the lungs due to the decompression - source:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_of_useful_consciousness

Thanks for the info.I'm just speculating here, and will be the frst to admit I know very little about aviation. This whole situation is just very bizarre.

15 posted on 03/13/2014 2:21:44 PM PDT by GreenHornet
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The FAA’s worldwide will probably have the ATC/ADS-B transponders and CPDLC locked down can’t be turned off by the crew, it will be almost impossible to steal a big airplane in the future.


16 posted on 03/13/2014 2:27:55 PM PDT by hamboy
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To: Red Badger

Nailed it.


17 posted on 03/13/2014 2:28:04 PM PDT by Rich21IE
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Here is a link to the WSJ’s streaming coverage - very useful updates:

http://stream.wsj.com/story/malaysia-airlines-flight-370/SS-2-475558/?mod=MAstream


18 posted on 03/13/2014 2:28:35 PM PDT by CedarDave (Obama - "That's the good thing as a President, I can do whatever I want" (02/10/14 declaration))
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I think Boeing and Rolls Royce would categorically deny everything just in case their equipment was at fault. Lawsuits could cost them…how much for all those passengers? In the billions?


19 posted on 03/13/2014 2:28:50 PM PDT by Veto! (Opinions freely dispensed as advice)
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To: GreenHornet
I keep thinking that this sounds similar to the Payne Stewart incident, where a sudden decompression of the cabin happened, immediately killing everyone on board.

I also recall that Greek airline accident about ten years ago when the cabin pressurization got set on "manual," and caused everybody on board to black out. Since the autopilot was set, the aircraft just continued to fly until it ran out of fuel and crashed. Of course in that case they were still able to track the plane.

20 posted on 03/13/2014 2:29:33 PM PDT by Mr Ramsbotham (Laws against sodomy are honored in the breech.)
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