Posted on 02/08/2014 6:43:00 AM PST by Jed Eckert
...as Off-Duty Officer Begs for Help Trying to Resuscitate Crash Victims
A Florida police officer is under fire for failing to help dying car crash victims — and it was all caught on tape by a dashboard camera.
Off-duty Miami Police Sergeant Javier Ortiz came upon the car crash scene that ended up killing two University of Miami graduate students, Ying Chen and Hao Liu, according to WFOR-TV.
With medical equipment in his car, Ortiz jumped into action to try and help the victims.
“I immediately started CPR on the female. It was just me. I had no one to work on the male and I was waiting for help to arrive,” Ortiz told WFOR.
Authorities did arrive but it was the help part that was still missing.
Pinecrest Officer Ana Carrasco arrived on the scene shortly afterward. According to WFOR-TV, Ortiz directed her to work on trying to resuscitate the man.
“I got no response. She just stood there,” told the news station...............
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I don’t know. I never thought of CPR/resuscitation as ever remotely being a part of an officer’s duty or job. If one does, and saves a life, it might make them a hero, true. But it’s not something I ever considered either expected or required of them.
Indeed, some filthy druggie overdosing in an alley, I certainly wouldn’t begrudge any officer from saying “hell, no” to that. Not one iota.
Ortiz is right ... I remember the world he speaks of - and the values that supported it...
She was prolly on maternity leave the day they taught how to check vital signs.
“... unless you have been there and are able to detach, most people freeze”.
You are talking about run of the mill, NON trained civilians, right? Police Officers go through a Rookie period. Therefore, she is trained by Senior officers and responds to motor vehicle accidents with injury, suicides, natural deaths etc... The Officer rides WITH a senior partner and spends quite a bit of time before being “cut loose”. Therefore, she shouldn’t have frozen. She chose to NOT do anything.
She didn’t just not give CPR - she did nothing.
Hopefully karma will bite her on the ass one day.
"“Based on my training, education, experience I was concerned flipping the male victim over. I was concerned it could cause cervical or spinal injury and maybe kill him. I don’t know if he’s dead or not. I run back to my car to see if I have more gloves to see if I can search for any vital signs at that time rescue arrived.”
NOTHING I have seen reported in the Miami media (always eager to bash cops) has indicated that any efforts she might have applied would have saved these kids' lives!
One report I saw said the Fire/Rescue team was there less than THREE minutes after being called...the tragic story is that someone did kill these kids, but it wasn't the cop who arrived on the scene.
Essentially, it appears as though the injuries were so bad that there was no realistic possibility of saving them. Sad, I know...but lashing out at this cop doesn't make sense to me.
Glad you were there, inside her psyche.
bump.
Okay here’s the reality. If a blunt trauma patient needs CPR, they die. That’s pretty much 100%.
Okay, so your daughter or son has had a “blunt trauma” accident by car and your daughter or son was not even attended by her - she does nothing but thinks “I don’t have another pair of gloves, that sucks”, you’re okay with that?
I don’t have to be in her “psyche”. Who really cares about a law enforcement’s “psyche” or feelings of inadequacy or any other rubbish. She is paid to do a job. She is paid equally to a fellow male officer to do that job. She took and passed the training. She raised her hand on her final day of the Academy and swore to uphold the law and serve the citizens of her county/state. At any point in time, she could have said, “This job isn’t right for me. I quit”. But, she didn’t. She gets a paycheck and picks and chooses what she wants to do if it is convenient and not too “yucky”. Would you defend her precious and delicate “psyche” if say... a guy was holding a gun to someone’s head? Would she be okay with walking away vs doing her paid for job? Would “freezing up” be an acceptable option? The difference between you and me may be simple: You are seeing her actions and making sense of them. I get that! I am seeing two young people dying on the ground and think to myself, “What if that was my son? What if that was my daughter? Would I be okay knowing that a paid law enforcement officer didn’t have the nuts to do CPR on my kid especially if she was trained and suppose to do so? Would I simply say, “oh, she froze”.. and go on with my day. Answer: no. Have a good day, Glennb51
Ma'am, I understand you feelings. Sometimes though, we do not know how we will respond to a situation until we are put in to the middle of it. I have seen mothers freeze when they see their child with a cut that is not fatal.
You have a good day also.
Like good FReepers.. we can agree to disagree and all is good. Hugs :)
Not, you didn’t overtly say it. But your diagnosis pretty much implied any help was futile...without any accompanying explanation, that’s pretty cold.
Your statistics are for the court room and probably other doctors; my comments were based on the spirit and intent of Good Samaritan laws with regard to attempting some measure of help. It’s what real humans should do. This person did not, and she be held accountable, particularly if there is a law in Florida that covers that type of requirement.
Thank you!
I will take them with me when I go to work tonight.
NOTHING I have seen reported in the Miami media (always eager to bash cops) has indicated that any efforts she might have applied would have saved these kids' lives!
One report I saw said the Fire/Rescue team was there less than THREE minutes after being called...the tragic story is that someone did kill these kids, but it wasn't the cop who arrived on the scene.
Essentially, it appears as though the injuries were so bad that there was no realistic possibility of saving them. Sad, I know...but lashing out at this cop doesn't make sense to me.
Irrelevant. She had no way of knowing at the time whether or not any assistance she gave would help or not. It appears she didn't even bother to take a pulse.
Meanwhile, the off duty cop on the scene WAS taking action and requested she assist on the other victim. (“I got no response. She just stood there,” he told the news station.) My take is that she just froze. She's being criticized for that.
Oh absolutely, the cop should be reprimanded for not helping where she could. But ultimately, if those people arrested in the field, there’s nothing that can be done to help them.
I understand and felt a little bad at calling you on it, but I could not pass on it. Regardless of the condition, it is a doctor’s call, not the on-scene public servant.
The public servant not doing what she could - even trying, pretty much left any doctor’s assessment pointless.
Actually it’s a call the EMTs can make in most systems.
If anything, cops have a tendency to over react, and do things like request a helicopter when it’s not needed.
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