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To: MHGinTN
This notion is very Smithian in nature (the Mormon founder, Joseph Smith) in that Mormonism posits matter as eternal and merely something manipulated by the god of Mormonism, not created by that god.

I'm sorry, I don't understand. Are you saying that Fred Hoyle was inspired by Joseph Smith, or that you think Joseph Smith made a contribution to cosmology?

Trying to make the case that Nahmanides stumbled upon General Relativity through Torah scholarship in the 13th century is, to put it mildly, ludicrous. It should go right alongside the claims of the modern Nostradamus fan club.

But that's fine for Schroeder to make it a hobby of his, and it makes for interesting reading.

But let us please, please keep in mind that what Schroeder is talking about is NOT Ham's Young Earth Creationism. Perception of time due to general relativity from the Big Bang is NOT flood geology. Schroeder is trying to reconcile how creation might have taken 6 days in the scheme of general relativity, NOT that the Earth is LITERALLY 6,000 YEARS OLD.

177 posted on 02/07/2014 9:23:49 AM PST by GunRunner
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To: GunRunner
Schroeder is trying to reconcile how creation might have taken 6 days in the scheme of general relativity

In the article quoted, he is actually not. He mumbles a few things about special relativity ["regions of high velocity"] which are false, general relativity ["regions of high gravity"] which are true, and have no bearing, and then posits [what he claims is] an entirely new mechanism for time dilation which calls the "the stretching of space."

Parenthetically, again, let me note that Miggie doesn't seem to understand what time dilation is, because he claims Schroeder isn't talking about it, even though Scroeder very clearly says he is. Apparently one of the two words "stretching" and "dilation" aren't in his Migslinesses' vocabulary.

Now there are two things about this: 1) There is no time dilation produced by the expansion of the universe, per se, and 2) the time dilation provided by the relative velocities of distant objects needed to keep space isotropic in an expanding universe does indeed exist. And it is 100% accounted for by the Special Theory of relativity.

Now, I will not quibble that Schroeder is trying to count the same effect twice by erroneously claiming that the indirect cause of time dilation is "space stretching" instead of the real cause which is simply commotional velocity. The real problem with his physics is that it doesn't have the effect he describes. All observers in commotional reference frames see the OTHER people's clocks running more slowly. There is no preferred reference frame, and in particular, there is no reference frame AT ALL in which the clocks appear to outside observers to run faster. So Schroeder's reasoning is actually backwards. The proper time of the Earth is actually the shortest time perceivable for the Earth's reference in any other reference frame. That means there is no alternative point of view under which our proper time of 14 billion years can be perceived as 6,000 years, nor any time during which the events described as creation can be perceived as happening in six days.

188 posted on 02/07/2014 11:18:56 AM PST by FredZarguna (Das ist nicht nur nicht richtig, es ist nicht einmal falsch!)
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