Posted on 02/03/2014 10:35:02 AM PST by carlo3b
I FINALLY BELIEVE, IT IS THE WOMAN’S SOLE RIGHT TO CHOOSE..
For me, it came down to a matter of nature, and fairness. I thought it through, and in doing so, I made sure that I really thought it all the way through..
After all of my many years of standing on the sidelines and observing, as was what I have been instructed to do, as a man, I have concluded that it should be the ultimate decision of the woman to decide whether she should be a mother..
In balancing, deliberating, and reasoning, there was but one undeniable truth, if it was the genius of our reproductive system, and the female of our species was chosen by design, biologically, to bear the burden of child creation, she alone should carry the decision of whether she wishes to reproduce. As such, she alone carries the burden of who should be the sperm donor, where and when the reproductive act should transpire. FAIR, and EQUITABLE, RIGHT?
We all know, or at least we should take a great deal more into consideration before and after making that decision, about how important it is in choosing to have a child or children, how that child will be raised. But one step at a time..
Can we agree that the choice of becoming a mother carries more than a simple yes or no. Far be it for me to interfere with the dynamics that should be considered in a woman’s priority process, but the requirements in that decision, by nature and necessity, is how and why to choose the potential male donor, for a milieu of reasons. By carrying the SOLE access to the starting point of reproduction, also carries the sole responsibility for the results of that decision, the wellbeing of the resulting baby..
Assuming we are all on the same page, the donor (THE MALE OF THE SPECIES) has a limited, but vitally important contribution in the process, the seed, or sperm. The donor, has decisions to make as well, first and foremost, does he agree with her choice of him as the contributor, and her choice of where and when, and even in some cases, with all of the new technologies, how..
As a summary, how many choices are involved in the decision to reproduce for the woman; • Do I want to reproduce, or will the act be for some other reason that I should take the risk? • What are the criteria for choosing a potential mate, or participant? • Who will be the contributor, or partner, for whatever reason? • What planning, or precautions, if any, should be required before the act? • When and where the act should take place? • What will I do if the act has produced the intended results, a child? • What if the planning went awry and there are unintended consequences? • What if I become pregnant, who else should suffer the resulting consequences? • Are there any limitations on my decisions? • What if I didn’t plan, what are my responsibilities? • What is my last resort?
As we have outlined, there are a list of choices that a woman has with her reproductive activities, and natural tools to consider, all of which she has the ultimate choice to advance, or reject along the way. With all of these options, who should be responsible for her decisions, other than the one that made them?
So, since I had no choice, no rights to contribute to her decisions, and, unless I was the contributor to the act, leave me or anyone else that were forced out the resulting process, out f the problems, RIGHT?
GOOD LUCK, AND GOD BLESS
A man..
Perfect summation of the mindset that has given us literally millions of dead babies.....
Stupid should hurt, but it should hurt the stupid, not the innocent.
What "choice" does the baby have? Are there babies that would choose death? If it were provable that every baby would choose life, then would it not be acceptable to drug the mother during pregnancy and end her life at the birth of the baby? Would that not be self-defense if the baby accomplished this somehow?
How is it not self-defense if, knowing the wish of the baby to stay alive, a good Samaritan were to accomplish the same thing?
Some liberal/s told you that your opinion has no value so you should keep quiet and you obediently did what you were told!?! Turn in your man card. You're whipped and you have voluntarily removed yourself from the process of liberty. Nothing and no one can negate the consequences of your actions (or inaction) for you though.
If the woman chooses to get pregnant, she has the choice of keeping the child, putting the child up for adoption, or abortion.
If she chooses to keep the child, the man has only two choices: pay child support or go to jail. Also, the men who pay taxes have no choices but to pay if she chooses to raise the child under welfare.
Not sure what earned him the Zot but, you’re the boss and I like lively conversations.
Thnx and hope you are well.
I was unable to make it to Fresno as I had to prepare for my operation.
It pales by any comparison to yours and I hope you are well.
Did someone jack your account, carlo? Did this hot mess of nonsense really come from you? Gobsmacked, I am.
Granting the “choice” presupposes the right to kill.
No woman’s liberty should be defined by the right to kill.
While it’s the Libertarian Party’s position to permit this false “choice”, it’s not the libertarian’s position to permit the killing of nascent human life.
Take the time to reconsider how you value human life and the rights you wish to grant it.
Be a force for life, carlo3b.
Take care.
“By carrying the SOLE access to the starting point of reproduction, also carries the sole responsibility for the results of that decision, the wellbeing of the resulting baby.. “
Dang! And to think I’ve been raising kids for 27 years now, and all that time it was my WIFE’S responsibility!
Oh well. In AFTER the zot! How could someone hang around FR so long and be so darn stupid. And immoral...
It seems I am being attacked here in an emotional response
The only personal belief I have shared in this discussion has been that the political system and courts have shifted to institutionalizing the answer to being a matter of personal choice, not law, and imo there would not likely ever be a shift back. Like it or not, America is a diverse nation, a diverse society, and individuals hold diverse beliefs on this subject and their individual right to make this moral decision, in private, have become institutionalized by the men and women 50 million or more Americans have elected, Roe vs Wade is a ship that sailed decades ago, and thanks to America's 50 million democrat voters and the RINOs that cower before them, I don't think it is coming back
The abortion battleground still has some high ground in the courts, as shown in some recent decisions banning late term abortion, tightening medical standards for would-be abortionists, allowing prosecution for unborn killed during the commission of a crime (speaking of paradoxes) etc etc
Plus science advances have revealed the realities of life in the womb and reduced the term known as “viabilty” which affects the moral decisionmakiing of millions more people
So moral absolutes will not change the law, imo
But moral absolutes can undermine the law by contributing to the philosophical debate in a way that changes hearts and minds of the mothers and fathers of the unborn- the ultimate decsionmakers- a sea change that seems to be underway
Emotional?
Again, at what point does it become a parody of thought?
If you can kill the baby at the first trimester, or the third, how about “postnatal”?
How is that emotional?
“So moral absolutes will not change the law, imo”
What “law”?
The Court Decision mislabeled as “law”?
I’m Pro-choice: Abort Dems.
I don’t see abortion as a choice to be or not to be a mother; it is a choice between murdering a baby or not murdering a baby. It really is that simple, feminists and liberals have been trying to convince everyone that it is a complicated issue for obvious reasons, very few would sanction the murder of a baby if the issue was clear to everyone.
If a woman absolutely does not want to be a mother then they need to either abstain from sex if they feel that strongly or adopt out the baby if they do end up pregnant. I am not advocating that anyone should be forced to be a mother, that is not possible in any case.
As a codger, I’ve found in my life, there are few moral absolutes. Don’t take things that don’t belong to you, and don’t murder. Seems pretty clear, especially the second one.
Man-jawed pro-choice feminists blow dead goats.
“Before I formed you in the womb I knew you”
Ok, but this phrase means that life is made BEFORE CONCEPTION, and not realistic for modern life.
“Jeremiah 1:5 Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee”
You are arguing for life forming before egg and sperm meet in conception.
I cannot understand why anyone would be giving up the fight at this point, more and more younger people are against it. I am more optimistic than I have ever been about getting it ended in this country. All the technology that is allowing people to see sooner and sooner that a baby is indeed a baby and not a clump of cells as abortionist have tried to convince people is changing a lot of minds. All the 3D pictures that are getting better and better at earlier stages have done more than all the talk over the years. Pictures really are worth 1000 words...if not more.
On this site, the line is drawn for Life & Liberty. Abortion as a political wedge issue or personal choice can be debated elsewhere. We each must make our own choices. I choose Life. Thanks
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