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To: kabar
Ryan and Cantor are pushing amnesty...

Even from a purely political standpoint this makes no sense. None at all.

The Dumbocrats are on the ropes because of 0bamacare. If the GOP plays their cards right, they will wipe them out in both Houses and gain some genuine control.

If "immigration reform" is so important, why is it so important to do it this year? Why not wait until next year when you can get your own bill through both Houses without having to be bullied by Hairy Reid, agreeing to their agenda, and letting them get all the political credit just in time for the elections?

An added bonus to not doing it this year is you're not alienating your own base just before an election, threatening your own survival as a political party, your control of the House, and blowing a chance for massive victory in the Senate.

Like I say, it makes no sense whatsoever from any reasonable political, personal, or policy standpoint.

One would have to be dumber than a bag of hammers to do this - or on the take... or being massively blackmailed by "somebody".

We all know there aren't any adults left in the Donk Party. But aren't there at least a few in any leadership positions in the Stupid Party - or has the entire political establishment gone stark raving mad on loco weed and are intent on stampeding the entire country over the cliff along with themselves?

64 posted on 02/02/2014 7:11:07 AM PST by Gritty (Inside every liberal is a totalitarian screaming to get out! - David Horowitz)
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To: Gritty

I’m not convinced the repubs are going to go after amnesty this year in full force. Yer right about it being a bit stupid, why not wait and see if the senate becomes Repub, maybe the presidency? Why do this NOW and alienate the hell out of your base.

As I figure, the Republican party gets big bucks from businesses of various sorts. They like the cheap labor coming in from Mexico and for the right bucks, the pubs are going to push it. But the pubs know, don’t think they do not, that their base is adamantly against any kind of amnesty, we were for amnesty once before, we were promised it would never happen again, the borders would be secured.

This didn’t happen and now twenty plus years later why should we believe them?

Amnesty is an issue that will drive the masses to the streets, you just watch.

Pubs got to make up their minds, money from those who benefit from cheap labor or votes from those who elect them.

I double dare them and still think it won’t happen. Already Boehner’s waffling.


71 posted on 02/02/2014 7:15:59 AM PST by Fishtalk (Join me on Facebook- https://www.facebook.com/patricia.fish.5)
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To: Gritty

The comprehensive immigration battle has been going on for 13 years.

In 2001, it was about to be passed when 9-11 happened. It got shelved. They tried again in 2002, but it was stopped on a ‘technicality’ by none other than Democrat Senator Robert Byrd. It was delayed until GWBush’s 2nd term. They tried twice in 2006 (IIRC) and it failed. They tried again in 2007, after GWB ‘got a Congress he could work with’ [i.e., he lost both the House and Senate to the Dems] and it failed again.

They tried again in Obama’s first term.

Now, they are pushing it again.

They have been trying from 2001 to 2014.


80 posted on 02/02/2014 7:21:17 AM PST by TomGuy
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To: Gritty

Because the Chamber of Commerce wants it, as well as the other crony capitalist who wink and nod while paying illegals half what they’d pay you or me. Also, illegals buy a lot of their stuff. They don’t care if the money is half wages or welfare, so long as they buy their stuff/use their services.

These business-types pay a lot of money to keep RINOs in office, and they’re not going to let them back down so easily, unless WE put up a fight NOW.


81 posted on 02/02/2014 7:22:57 AM PST by Alas Babylon!
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To: Gritty
Even from a purely political standpoint this makes no sense. None at all.

The push is coming from the GOP's corporate paymasters. They have made it quite clear, including thru a public letter, that they want amnesty and an increase in the guest worker programs. Money is the mother's milk of politics.

If "immigration reform" is so important, why is it so important to do it this year? Why not wait until next year when you can get your own bill through both Houses without having to be bullied by Hairy Reid, agreeing to their agenda, and letting them get all the political credit just in time for the elections?

It depends on what you mean by immigration reform. If the Reps were to gain control of the Senate, would they invoke the nuclear option on legislation? We had 14 Rep senators sign on to the Gang of 8 amnesty bill. What kind of bill would come out of the senate? And whatever comes out will be vetoed by Obama.

An added bonus to not doing it this year is you're not alienating your own base just before an election, threatening your own survival as a political party, your control of the House, and blowing a chance for massive victory in the Senate.

The GOPe may be counting on conservatives to hold their noses again and vote for them. They are mistaken, but they seem to be operating on different assumptions than most of us are.

We all know there aren't any adults left in the Donk Party. But aren't there at least a few in any leadership positions in the Stupid Party - or has the entire political establishment gone stark raving mad on loco weed and are intent on stampeding the entire country over the cliff along with themselves?

The Dems have effectively stampeded the Reps into believing that they must do something to gain the Hispanic vote, which will continue to grow and make the Reps the permanent minority party.


105 posted on 02/02/2014 7:46:16 AM PST by kabar
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