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Evolutionists divided over coexistence of placental mammals and dinosaurs
Creation.com ^ | 1-21-2014 | David Catchpoole

Posted on 01/22/2014 12:45:10 PM PST by fishtank

Evolutionists divided over coexistence of placental mammals and dinosaurs

by David Catchpoole

Published: 21 January 2014 (GMT+10)

If you can remember being taught as ‘fact’ that only small, ‘primitive’ mammals were around at the demise of the dinosaurs (supposedly 65 million years ago), because placental mammals1 didn’t evolve until afterwards, you’re not alone. There are many people who remember that. In fact, many textbooks still teach it.

However, if you’re aware that for some years now the evolutionary fraternity has shifted the existence of ‘modern’ mammals to overlap that of dinosaurs, then we would say that you are actually more evolution-savvy than some of today’s ‘authorities’ on evolution! We can point to a recent (January 2014) Nature News item, written by senior reporter Ewen Callaway, as an example of this.2

Its headline reads: “Debate over which mammals roamed with the dinosaurs: Genetic tree challenges fossil-based conclusion that placental mammals emerged only after mass extinction.”

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To: colorado tanker

Yep, and straight from the beauty parlor.


21 posted on 01/22/2014 2:27:06 PM PST by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink)
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To: ZULU

Some years ago, maybe as long as twenty or thirty, I read that some paleontologists believe that mammals existed before the dinosaurs, but mostly lost out in the competition.


22 posted on 01/22/2014 2:27:44 PM PST by Daveinyork (IER)
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To: fishtank

.........................The honest scientists are no longer denying that placentals and dinos co-existed.............

I sure wish that all these “honest scientists” would get off this Globull Warming garbage, and get back to the past when the mammals had to back away from the foul smelling CO2 emitted when the dino’s roared.


23 posted on 01/22/2014 2:32:08 PM PST by Noob1999 (Loose Lips, Sink Ships)
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To: ZULU

Disproving evolution is one thing.

Pointing out that there’s never been a shred of evidence pointing to one species of animal turning into another species of animal is something different.

In other words, no frog became a lizard, and no lizard a bird, no bird a pig, no pig a monkey, and no monkey a man.

So, this bit doesn’t disprove evolution, but it does knock a couple of more pins from underneath it.


24 posted on 01/22/2014 2:34:14 PM PST by RinaseaofDs
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To: fishtank
Global Warming: Real science doesn't work by consensus so GW theory can't be true.

Evolution: There is no scientific consensus so Evolution Theory can't be true.

25 posted on 01/22/2014 2:44:32 PM PST by TigersEye (Stupid is a Progressive disease.)
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To: ZULU

It amazes me that people buy into this crap.


26 posted on 01/22/2014 3:24:10 PM PST by John Valentine (Deep in the Heart of Texas)
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To: John Valentine; ZULU
It amazes me that people buy into this crap.

It's cleverly constructed to fool those who don't know the subject well or don't read that carefully. For example, he starts off with "If you can remember being taught as ‘fact’ that only small, ‘primitive’ mammals were around at the demise of the dinosaurs....However, if you’re aware that for some years now the evolutionary fraternity has shifted the existence of ‘modern’ mammals to overlap that of dinosaurs...." That leaves the impression that large, present-day mammals existed at the same time as dinosaurs, which no scientist is claiming.

He says himself later that Mesozoic rocks contain "creatures that ;look like' squirrels, hedgehogs, shrews, beavers and primates." That's pretty small.

27 posted on 01/22/2014 5:27:26 PM PST by Ha Ha Thats Very Logical
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To: ifinnegan

Don’t be insulting. What is the significance of this observation?


28 posted on 01/22/2014 5:27:28 PM PST by ZULU (Magua is sitting in the Oval Office. Ted Cruz/Phil Robertson in 2016.)
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To: Daveinyork

Mammal-like reptiles - Dimetrodon, Cynodonts.


29 posted on 01/22/2014 5:28:57 PM PST by ZULU (Magua is sitting in the Oval Office. Ted Cruz/Phil Robertson in 2016.)
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To: RinaseaofDs

Hardly. The evidence is circumstantial but so very powerful that it is difficult to refute.

One would hardly believe India was once attached to Africa - but geological evidence indicates it was. The same with biological evolution.


30 posted on 01/22/2014 5:30:55 PM PST by ZULU (Magua is sitting in the Oval Office. Ted Cruz/Phil Robertson in 2016.)
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To: John Valentine

Evolution or Creative Biology?


31 posted on 01/22/2014 5:31:20 PM PST by ZULU (Magua is sitting in the Oval Office. Ted Cruz/Phil Robertson in 2016.)
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To: RinaseaofDs

>> So, this bit doesn’t disprove evolution,

And what’s to say “history” isn’t being altered and not necessarily by virtue of discovery of the previously undiscovered, but through the appearance of discovery of things that didn’t exist beforehand, or through ‘evolving’ scientific insight that realizes now what it could not earlier.


32 posted on 01/22/2014 5:44:59 PM PST by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: ZULU

I was specifically referring to the rubbish on the linked website. I don’t doubt that the folks who buy into this are good, well meaning people, but my goodness, the logical leaps and faulty reasoning are appalling. I don’t know whether to laugh or cry.


33 posted on 01/22/2014 6:34:03 PM PST by John Valentine (Deep in the Heart of Texas)
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To: ZULU

“The evidence is circumstantial but so very powerful that it is difficult to refute.”

I’ve seen a mountain of evidence in support of adaptation, but exactly zero evidence, circumstantial or otherwise, to support evolution.


34 posted on 01/22/2014 6:36:31 PM PST by RinaseaofDs
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To: John Valentine

Me too.


35 posted on 01/22/2014 8:44:48 PM PST by ZULU (Magua is sitting in the Oval Office. Ted Cruz/Phil Robertson in 2016.)
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To: ZULU; Daveinyork
That is correct, they are called proto mammals and they ruled the Earth until the dinos appeared.

36 posted on 01/22/2014 9:01:43 PM PST by jpsb (Believe nothing until it has been officially denied)
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To: fishtank; ZULU; colorado tanker; varmintman; MrB; 2nd Amendment; Impy
Evolutionists claim that dinosaurs lived millions of years ago before there were humans here,
but they cant explain this one eating train passenger cars.

Donate to the Institute for Creation Research for more great scientific finds like this.

37 posted on 01/22/2014 9:39:20 PM PST by sickoflibs (Obama : 'If you like your Doctor you can keep him, PERIOD! Don't believe the GOPs warnings')
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To: sickoflibs; BillyBoy

And what about Dino from the Flintstones? ;p


38 posted on 01/22/2014 10:09:38 PM PST by Impy (RED=COMMUNIST, NOT REPUBLICAN)
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To: sickoflibs
You need to learn about the science of creation
39 posted on 01/23/2014 6:43:25 AM PST by Fiji Hill
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To: Gene Eric

You used a lot of words to state the definition of ‘science’.

We use observation to expand and challenge what we thought we knew before.

Evolution, eventually, will occupy the same historical space as phrenology does today. They used to study the bumps on one’s head to determine personality and other traits. There’s about as much science to substantiate evolution as their is phrenology, or for that matter AGM (anthropomorphic global warming).

Science is a wide, shallow pond, with some very deep holes in it. We know a lot about a very limited number of things, and not much about anything else. As you can imagine, if the topic is about war, then we know quite a bit.

Maslow’s hierarchy of needs and the locations of these deep holes of knowledge at the bottom of the shallow pond are tightly correlated.


40 posted on 01/23/2014 7:07:50 AM PST by RinaseaofDs
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