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Plane crashes, woman dies, survivor films and takes selfie
CNET ^ | 10 January 2014 | Chris Matyszczyk

Posted on 01/10/2014 1:52:43 PM PST by The Sons of Liberty

A month after a small plane crash in Hawaii, a surviving passenger shows GoPro footage and even a selfie taken during the ordeal.

Would you have done the same? Ferdinand Puentes was one of nine passengers in a 2002 Cessna Grand Caravan which suddenly suffered engine failure off Kalaupapa, Molokai in Hawaii last month. As he heard the engine fail and saw the plane heading for the water, one of his first instincts was to turn on his GoPro camera and film what might have been his own demise. As KHON-TV reports, Puentes knew the danger he was in, yet the decision to film as much as possible might perplex a few. He managed to get out of the plane alive and survived the crash. However, while he was floating on a seat cushion and wearing his life raft, he took a selfie.
Was the impulse to record just a natural reaction? After all, any bystander or news organization would have likely done the same thing. And these days everyone is using their phones to film just about everything they see. But wouldn't one's first instinct be to try to contact family and friends to say goodbye? Perhaps that did happen. The footage reflects a quite stunning lack of panic. The passengers behave in an orderly manner. There is no screaming or pushing. No one seems frantic at all. Loretta Fuddy, Hawaii's 65-year-old state director of health, died in the crash, despite managing to leave the plane. In watching Puentes talk to KHON-TV, though, it's evident that the footage brings back painful memories. Would everyone want to have such ready access to a reminder? Or would some prefer to forget? "You could have died," Puentes told KHON-TV. "There's so much variations that could have happened for the worse."


TOPICS: Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: barrycide; birthcertificate; ferdinandpuentes; fuddy; hawaii; kenyanbornmuzzie; lorettafuddy; maui; naturalborncitizen; planecrash; puentes; selfie; survivors
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To: 4Zoltan

If this had happened in Broward County, FL, in 1994, then that might be relevant. Find me something for Hawaii in 2013 that supercedes the USCG protocols that I’ve already given you.


761 posted on 02/01/2014 5:12:34 PM PST by butterdezillion (Free online faxing at http://faxzero.com/ Fax all your elected officials. Make DC listen.)
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To: butterdezillion

butter, you’ve got me tricked, surely you don’t think the rescue people deliberately left someone to drown? It’s as if you think they were acting on instructions...like, if you find Fuddy unconscious, just leave her there...

Or what?


762 posted on 02/01/2014 5:19:17 PM PST by Fred Nerks (QANS)
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To: Fred Nerks

They lifted her last, against protocols, and then lied about what their protocols actually say.

I don’t believe they left her there to die; I believe they thought they were doing a good thing and they were acting on orders.

Let’s just put it this way. Fuddy had an open casket at her funeral, but it didn’t have her body in it. It had an urn placed right in the middle of the casket. Unless you looked closely and realized that the urn couldn’t be her head you would have thought everybody in that church saw her body. They didn’t. They saw an urn in an open casket.

A casket serves no purpose if the remains are already in an urn. The sole purpose of that casket was to deceive the public into thinking that Fuddy’s dead body was seen by a lot of people in an open-casket funeral.

Why would they want to deceive people about that? If they wanted to give people the final proof of her death, there was no reason to cremate. And even if they wanted to cremate there was no reason to cremate BEFORE the “open-casket” funeral. Usually if there’s going to be an open-casket funeral they just cremate the body in the casket after the service.

They wanted the ease of an urn, where nobody knows if there’s anything in it or not, while having the appearance of an open-casket funeral.

I’m sure they had their reasons for that...


763 posted on 02/01/2014 7:01:53 PM PST by butterdezillion (Free online faxing at http://faxzero.com/ Fax all your elected officials. Make DC listen.)
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To: butterdezillion

Too many cremations = bad optics. They needed a casket for the optics. They hoped people wouldn’t notice.


764 posted on 02/01/2014 7:16:07 PM PST by thecodont
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To: thecodont

They could have gotten rid of the body through cremation without anybody knowing, by having an open-casket funeral and then cremating the body in the casket afterwards. People do that all the time and there’s nothing odd about it.

There was a reason they didn’t let people see the body in a true open-casket funeral, and it wasn’t to hide that she was going to be cremated, because the above way would have kept ANYBODY from knowing she was cremated.

There was another reason they didn’t want to have to show anybody her body.

It’s not because of injuries or the autopsy incisions, because morticians regularly cover those things up.

There’s another reason. And there are some not-yet-revealed but very solid clues as to what their reason was.


765 posted on 02/01/2014 7:30:34 PM PST by butterdezillion (Free online faxing at http://faxzero.com/ Fax all your elected officials. Make DC listen.)
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To: butterdezillion
There’s another reason. And there are some not-yet-revealed but very solid clues as to what their reason was.

I'm stumped. I'd like to know what those reasons are.

766 posted on 02/01/2014 7:52:23 PM PST by thecodont
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To: butterdezillion
...And even if they wanted to cremate there was no reason to cremate BEFORE the “open-casket” funeral. Usually if there’s going to be an open-casket funeral they just cremate the body in the casket after the service.

I've been to any number of funerals during which the body in the coffin is whisked away on it's conveyor belt accompanied by the strains of a musical hymn - into the crematorium...but I've never heard of an urn being presented in a coffin!

I get a mental image of them standing at the graveside, burying the urn in the coffin...that's totally bizarre!

Shouldn't mock the dead, but did they bury the coffin or just toss the urn into the grave? Or save the coffin for someone else and take the urn home to display on the mantle?

Nothing that happens in Hawaii makes sense. It all reads like Tales from the Macabre.

767 posted on 02/01/2014 8:28:26 PM PST by Fred Nerks (QANS)
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To: Fred Nerks

We don’t know whether the urn had anything in it, much less Fuddy’s remains.


768 posted on 02/01/2014 9:03:17 PM PST by butterdezillion (Free online faxing at http://faxzero.com/ Fax all your elected officials. Make DC listen.)
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To: butterdezillion

Yeah, from ashes to ashes, dust to dust; and dust is all you get, sometimes.
Like what they chucked out to sea that looked like sand...when Madelyn was supposedly consigned to the wind and waves.
Like I said, Tales from the Macabre.
They might both have ended up with Alice Dewey in Indonesia, for all we know. In the royal compound, eating grapes and drinking sherry. Laughing at us.
And the world thinks we are crazy...
Madelyn had a fall and broke some ribs, and then it was her hip and then it was cancer.
Stanley Ann Dunham had a belly ache and died of breast cancer then it was ovarian cancer...
And Fuddy, well she’s a special case. Went for a trip to a leper colony and never came back alive.
All on a sunny day in Hawaii.


769 posted on 02/01/2014 9:22:32 PM PST by Fred Nerks (QANS)
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To: Fred Nerks

Judge Samuel P. King “fell” 2010.


770 posted on 02/01/2014 11:28:52 PM PST by Whalebone Whip
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To: Whalebone Whip; Brown Deer

Samuel P. King, Judge and Critic of Hawaiian Charity, Dies at 94
By DOUGLAS MARTIN
Published: December 11, 2010

Samuel P. King, a federal judge who mobilized the power of the pen to topple overseers of one of the nation’s wealthiest charities, a 19th-century trust set up by Hawaiian royalty to educate the kingdom’s natives, died Tuesday in Honolulu. He was 94.

The cause was complications of a fall the day before, his daughter Charlotte King Stretch said.

Judge King was one of five co-authors of a scathing 6,400-word critique of one of Hawaii’s most powerful institutions, the Bishop Estate, in 1997. Established in the will of a Hawaiian princess who died in 1884, the estate ran schools to educate native Hawaiian youths. Its assets of $10 billion made it the wealthiest charity in the United States in 1995, according to The Wall Street Journal.

The essay, which filled three pages of The Honolulu Star-Bulletin, accused the trustees of, among other things, paying themselves more than $800,000 a year each, conducting financial transactions for personal gain and neglecting the trust’s educational mission.

Two days later, the state attorney general began the first of several investigations. After the Internal Revenue Service threatened to strip the trust of its tax-exempt status retroactively in 1999, the five trustees, all Democratic appointees, resigned or were removed from office.

“They treated it like a cookie jar,” Judge King, a Republican, said of the trustees in an interview with The New York Times in 2000, “or a Democratic pension fund.”

In a 2008 interview with PBS Hawaii, Judge King told of being approached by Randall Roth, a professor of trust law at the University of Hawaii, who showed him a draft of an essay, which the judge called “good stuff.”

But Judge King volunteered that it would carry more weight if prominent people in the community also added their imprimaturs. Judge King agreed to sign on and recommended three others: a former state appeals court judge, a former chairwoman of the University of Hawaii board of regents and a Catholic priest.

Together they formulated a final essay with what The American Journalism Review in 2001 called “damning detail.” Mr. Roth has said Judge King was the “intellectual leader” of the process.

Samuel Pailthorpe King was born on April 13, 1916, in Hankow, China, the son of a commander of a United States Navy gunboat on the Yangtze River. The boy grew up amid banana and macadamia nut groves in Hawaii.

He graduated from Yale and its law school and was a Japanese translator for the Navy in World War II. After his discharge, he went into private practice and then held a succession of territorial and state judgeships. President Richard M. Nixon appointed him to the federal bench in 1972. He assumed senior status in 1984.

Judge King spent 38 years on the federal bench and several times ran unsuccessfully for political office, including Hawaii’s governorship. His thousands of rulings included one protecting the rights of mental patients and another asserting that the F.B.I.’s spying on a defendant by telescope from a quarter-mile away violated his constitutional rights.

His favorite and longest-running case involved protecting a small finch-billed bird, the palila, by removing wild goats and sheep from the slopes of a volcano. He ruled in 1979 that the bird had standing to sue in federal court and monitored the bird’s welfare for the rest of his life.

Besides Ms. Stretch, Judge King is survived by his wife of 66 years, the former Anne Van Patten Grilk; a son, Samuel Jr.; another daughter, Louise King Lanzilotti; and six grandchildren.

Many Hawaiians remembered the judge for an off-the-cuff — and often-quoted — remark to a potential juror who claimed that she had to leave for the island of Maui the next day. “Here today, gone to Maui,” he said.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/12/us/12king.html?_r=0


771 posted on 02/02/2014 3:26:43 AM PST by Fred Nerks (fair dinkum)
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To: butterdezillion; Fred Nerks

“Let’s just put it this way. Fuddy had an open casket at her funeral, but it didn’t have her body in it. It had an urn placed right in the middle of the casket. “

In this video of her funeral you can clearly see her body in the casket.

At the 1:55 mark of the video.

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Q7yDNyDLYGM&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DQ7yDNyDLYGM


772 posted on 02/02/2014 6:28:22 AM PST by 4Zoltan
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To: 4Zoltan

That’s a different funeral than the one photographed at http://www.hawaiicatholicherald.com/2014/01/03/health-director-remembered-for-her-faith-public-service/

The wreath is placed differently on that casket than on Fuddy’s, the candle is placed differently, and there’s a stand beside the casket. The photo showing the “body” has a stand like the one that is in the image of the family coming forward, so those images were from the same funeral as each other but it wasn’t Fuddy’s.

This video shows people coming past the coffin at Fuddy’s funeral and the red chairs are there, so the casket was in the front of the church when people came past at Fuddy’s funeral, but the only flowers that were at Fuddy’s funeral by the casket, according to the photo by the Catholic church, were poinsettias.

IOW, KITV interspersed photos from Fuddy’s funeral with photos from somebody else’s funeral - specifically the footage showing the casket with a person in it. Which is even more bizarre and shows KITV to be involved in this deception as well.

We don’t have any way of knowing whose funeral that videotape is of or who the person in the casket is. It’s not the same funeral as the Catholic church put in their newsletter as being Fuddy’s funeral, showing the casket in context while Abercrombie was speaking.

That casket, in the Catholic newsletter showing both Abercrombie and the casket at the same time, has an urn and a few other dark objects in it.

Thanks for the video footage. It shows the depth of the deception. Somebody is desperate enough that they put somebody else’s funeral footage in a report about Fuddy’s funeral in order to pretend she had an open-casket funeral. Wowza.


773 posted on 02/02/2014 10:32:49 AM PST by butterdezillion (Free online faxing at http://faxzero.com/ Fax all your elected officials. Make DC listen.)
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To: butterdezillion

The poinsettias are not by the casket, they back by the altar. The news camera is shooting from the side the poinsettias are out of frame to the left.

The only wreath on the casket are the leis hanging on the open lid.

Here are more pictures:

http://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/story/24280187/hundreds-gather-to-remember-loretta-fuddy

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=SqCH__JxJhA&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DSqCH__JxJhA

I realize your need for there to be a conspiracy is greater than your interest in the truth, but most rational people will see that Director Fuddy’s body is in the open casket.


774 posted on 02/02/2014 1:01:37 PM PST by 4Zoltan
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To: butterdezillion

I think it's all angles, the priest speaks and the camera is filming him from the side.

775 posted on 02/02/2014 6:45:51 PM PST by Fred Nerks (fair dinkum)
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To: Fred Nerks

In the upper photo to the extreme left is a woman in a purple mumu greeting people as part of the family. She is also in the KITV video at the 2:02 minute mark as the family moves around the casket. To her left are two tripod stands one holds what looks like an open book and the other behind and somewhat hidden has a dark lei draped on it. Both of those stands are visible in the video close-up of the casket. There was nothing preventing the camera from being moved during the service. As the family moves around the casket, you can see two cameras being set up on the other side of the cathedral.


776 posted on 02/02/2014 8:36:26 PM PST by 4Zoltan
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To: Fred Nerks

That looks like Neil Abercrombie.


777 posted on 02/02/2014 8:42:45 PM PST by thecodont
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To: thecodont

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SqCH__JxJhA&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DSqCH__JxJhA&app=desktop

you’ll see Abercrombie speak if you watch the video


778 posted on 02/02/2014 9:36:59 PM PST by Fred Nerks (fair dinkum)
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To: 4Zoltan

http://butterdezillion.files.wordpress.com/2014/02/did-fuddy-have-an-open-casket-funeral1.pdf

Conclusion: The person in the casket shown by KITV is not from Fuddy’s funeral. The casket at Fuddy’s funeral had a different pall and had no body inside but did have an oval bump in the middle of the casket, which I presume to be an urn. The media used at least one instance of fake footage (and maybe two) to imply that Fuddy’s was an open-casket funeral, the family was photographed in positions you would expect if there was a body in the casket, and the casket was treated as if it had a body inside. The public was most likely unaware of the deception to be carried out by the media and honored what they believed was her ashes if they got close enough to see the urn in the casket.


779 posted on 02/03/2014 7:14:38 AM PST by butterdezillion (Free online faxing at http://faxzero.com/ Fax all your elected officials. Make DC listen.)
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To: WildHighlander57

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3110483/posts?page=584#584

it’s all very entertaining so far...


780 posted on 08/28/2016 12:16:19 AM PDT by Fred Nerks (Fair Dinkum)
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