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To: oldenuff2no; Da Bilge Troll
Before we go on to change our constitution we need to do everything that is needed to force our president congress and courts to follow the constitution we now have.

If the masterminds on the Potomac followed the constitution, there wouldn't be need for an Article V amendment convention, nor for FreeRepublc.

As a plan of limited government the constitution is gone. It is way beyond time to restore it. There is no guarantee that will happen.

They refuse to honor their responsibilities now so what is there to make anyone believe that they will honor the next one?

Through structural changes of the sort that cannot be ignored. The first reform is to boot the popularly derived demagogues from the senate and return the senate to the states. James Madison determined this vertical separation of power between the states and the new government they created was central to securing our liberty. He was right and we have suffered mightily from the mistake of the 17th Amendment.

DaBilgetroll has two great links in his post. Here at ConventionofStates.com in the right sidebar are FAQ.

12 posted on 01/04/2014 1:41:49 PM PST by Jacquerie (Watch Mark Levin tomorrow! Sunday at noon on C-Span InDepth)
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To: Jacquerie
The first reform is to boot the popularly derived demagogues from the senate and return the senate to the states. James Madison determined this vertical separation of power between the states and the new government they created was central to securing our liberty. He was right and we have suffered mightily from the mistake of the 17th Amendment.

Obviously, I support repealing the 17th Amendment (and the 16th). However, we need other Constitutional reforms (e.g., Congressional term limits). No one reform should be seen as a panacea.

14 posted on 01/04/2014 1:49:05 PM PST by Repeal 16-17 (Let me know when the Shooting starts.)
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To: Jacquerie

“The first reform is to boot the popularly derived demagogues from the senate and return the senate to the states. James Madison determined this vertical separation of power between the states and the new government they created was central to securing our liberty.”

How ‘bout a different perspective? Perhaps the Constitution itself was not designed to secure liberty. Or as Patrick Henry noted in his refusal to attend the Constitutional convention that he “smelt a rat in Philadelphia, tending toward the monarchy.”


29 posted on 01/04/2014 4:16:35 PM PST by RKBA Democrat (Having some small say in who gets to hold the whip doesn't make you any less a slave.)
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