NTSB: Hawaii plane floated 25 mins, then sank.

AP via Star Advertiser ^ | Dec 31, 2013 | AP via Star Advertiser

[RckyRaCoCo]

The National Transportation Safety Board says in a preliminary accident report that a small commercial plane that crash-landed in Hawaii waters floated for about 25 minutes before sinking.

[LucyT]

Back to the thread; check out # 114, and # 119.

Thanks, butterdezillion.

[bgill]

Did you see my #56 above with the flight times? Flight time for the Coast Guard should have been less than half an hour. No way did this happen as it is being reported and re-reported. No amount of scrubbing and revision will “fix” their timeline because too much was seen and said by too many. Well, I take that back. Tell a big enough lie enough times and it will become the truth. This is another Benghazi then vs. Benghazi now.

[Marine_Uncle]

Thanks for the ping. I’m ready to go back to bed, being under the weather with allergies and cold symptoms that make it even difficult to try to stay focused on all that is in this post.

[freepersup]

Your a nun with a pointer stick cracking my knuckles cause’ you caught me looking out the window Ouch! I’ll not do that again.

[freepersup]

“Your” = “you’re.”

[4Zoltan]

The actual NTSB report says the passengers were rescued within 80 minutes.

http://www.ntsb.gov/aviationquery/GenPDF.aspx?id=WPR14FA068&rpt=p

On December 11, 2013, at 1522 Hawaiian standard time, a Cessna 208B, N687MA, sustained substantial damage following a loss of engine power and ditching into the Pacific near Kalaupapa, Hawaii.

The airline transport pilot and two passengers were seriously injured, one passenger was fatally injured, and five passengers received minor injuries. Makani Kai Air was operating the flight under the provisions of 14 Code of Federal Regulations Part 135. Visual meteorological conditions prevailed
for the cross-country flight, which had originated about 2 minutes before the accident. A company flight plan had been filed. The flight departed from the Kalaupapa airport on the island of Molokai, and was en route to Honolulu International airport, on the island of Oahu.

The pilot stated that shortly after takeoff, a loud bang was heard and there was a total loss of power. After a short glide, he performed an open ocean ditching. The airplane floated for approximately 25 minutes and then sank. All the passengers put on their life preservers and exited the airplane. US Coast Guard and Maui Fire and Rescue personnel recovered the passengers approximately 80 minutes later.

Updated on Dec 30 2013 3:32PM

[rodguy911]

Way to go butter you got it all together.

If the NTSB timeline is believed, a death from that plane crash was reported in the news before ANYBODY know that it had happened. IOW, if the NTSB timeline is believed there was SUPPOSED to be one person dead from that plane crash, and that outcome was reported before anybody was sure that had really happened. If the NTSB timeline is not believed, then a reasonable person has to ask why they are claiming a false timeline.

And then you wind up with this summary just too good!

But could Fuddy have died, drifted 200 yards from the others, been passed over by the first rescuer as unresponsive, been found by the 2nd rescuer, determined to be not breathing, lifted to the helicopter and had CPR performed on her (at least I’m pretty sure one report said they did CPR on her), ruled to be dead, and had that reported to the press within a 40-minute time period? Obviously not if the rescue crews didn’t arrive for another 65 minutes, as claimed by NTSB. But even if it took ZERO time for the crews to get there, could all that have happened within 40 minutes? How long does it take to lift somebody into a helicopter? How does information get relayed from an emergency vehicle to the news media? Seems to me there’s a good chance that the NTSB timeline is fudged AND one casualty was reported before anybody could have known it had really happened.

the ntsb/msm summary is an epic fail as far as the smell test goes. Extremely well thought out on your part. My guess is that this is a Chicago op orchestrated by the "man" in charge-- Valerie Jarrett.

She probably has a goon or hit squad strictly for all the Breitbarts, Fuddys,granny, others who need to disappear. Although it seems coincidental that zero was in or around Hawaii when all the action took place at his Granny's don't know about where he was during Fuddy's demise.

There were always rumors of him lurking in an alley way behind his granny's house shortly before her death but I'm not buying that one,too easy for him to get someone else to do the dirty work. That's more his style. However, if they are not related anyway.....who knows.

The only thing he is "hands on with" are drones and other guys.

[hoosiermama]

Start at 749 and read up on the community that 0 organized. It had already been organized by a black Muslim Chicago street gang who had originally been organier by a Mexican drug cartel. JJs half bro Noah Robinson (as in Michelle R 0 is doing life for his involvment with the gang. Gang is known for drug deals, male/female prostitutio, MURDER FOR HIRE, and were involved with Kadaffi in gun running and domestic terrorism

He don’t need no stinkin VJ to get the job done,he’s got other connections!

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2151323/replies?c=749

More at end of thread

730 starts his direct ties to Chicago communist party

He’s connected big time; explains why our southern border is not
Closed.

[bgill]

Subud USA will be donating $50 to our general endowment fund in Deliana’s name and sending a card on behalf of all of us.

Wow, 50 whole dollars AND a card! Out of one pocket and into the other of the same pants.

[exit82]

Best wishes to you on your trip and your resting time.

You are a treasure here and we look forward to your return.

[Fred Nerks]

...There were always rumors of him lurking in an alley way behind his granny's house shortly before her death but I'm not buying that one...

him got white feet...

[Fred Nerks]

thanks, I’m lurking for a little while before I keep my appointments...and then I will have to take a break.

[butterdezillion]

Thanks for that link. Sounds like they’re just repeating what the pilot claimed. They don’t include any other information, such as how the accident was detected, what any of the other witnesses said, what the recordings indicated for times, etc.

And the language is not clear. 80 minutes later than what? Than when the passengers exited the plane? Than when the plane sank? The news write-up about this report (at http://www.kitv.com/news/hawaii/report-confirms-pilots-account-in-molokai-emergency-landing/-/8905354/23717130/-/sy2wnjz/-/index.html#ixzz2pT8i1D1a ) understood the report to mean that the rescue crews got there 80 minutes after the victims exited the plane.

But even if the rescue was all done (everybody lifted from the water into rescue craft) 80 minutes after the victims exited the plane, that still wouldn’t explain a news report of one fatality 55 minutes after the crash.

Nor would it explain the Maui fire crew’s claim that they picked up 5 people alive, and the Coast Guard’s claim that they picked up 3 alive. That would make 8 people rescued alive plus the ninth victim - Phillip Holstein - who swam to shore and wasn’t rescued by anybody. No casualties. Was Fuddy dead or alive when she was picked up? The reports don’t agree.

Josh Lang described finding the aircraft, at http://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/story/24246422/exclusive-pilot-describes-discovering-molokai-plane-crash . He said that he stayed around there until the Navy helicopter arrived at about 4:30pm, about an hour after he had first seen the Cessna. The pilot of the first Coast Guard helicopter to make it there noted that the Navy’s H-60 had put down smoke flares to show the location, so the Coast Guard didn’t arrive until after the H-60 arrived around 4:30. And they arrived long enough afterwards that they could not see the aircraft in the water. The aircraft had taken 25 minutes to become submerged and may have had mostly empty fuel tanks helping to keep it afloat.

Keep in mind that the first media report of a casualty was posted at 4:40pm.

Fuddy was not determined to be dead until the second rescuer, Mark Peer, found her and checked for a pulse that he didn’t find. That was the second Coast Guard helicopter and Peer found Fuddy after he had rescued a man in his 70’s. The rescue effort was complicated by there being multiple helicopters that had to be kept from hitting each other.

[bgill]

There's the plane.

There's the airport.

[4Zoltan]

Since the only time mentioned in the report is the crash time of 15:22 HST, I would assume the approximately 80 minutes refers to 80 minutes after the crash.

[rodguy911]

Thanks very much so much there/is there an association with zero and the el rukins? Also I have seen those exact photos Fred dug up of zero behind the alleyway and even heard allegations of him holding a syringe he might have used on granny since he is one of the few who did have easy access to her and could have gotten away with most anything.

Still hard to image a sitting potus doing this crap. I guess I should be open to anything with this gang.

He's really just a front man any way. Thanks again I can't believe all the great research you guys do here!Truly remarkable.

[butterdezillion]

The thing that is baffling is what I just found today - Josh Lang’s claims about how he found the aircraft, at http://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/story/24246422/exclusive-pilot-describes-discovering-molokai-plane-crash

According to that, the Emergency Locator Transmitter was beeping before 3:30pm. Lang found the plane within minutes, called for help, went back to the Molokai Airport looking for help but there was nobody there, went back to the scene of the landing, and waited there until an hour after the initial sighting, before anybody showed up - and that was a military helicopter just to mark where the plane had gone down, about 500 yards from shore. So it was over an hour from the time that the emergency system was alerted to a plane down in the water, to the time that anybody showed up, just to put flares down for the rescue team that would come later.

And the Coast Guard rescue team said (as reported at http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/12/12/21872811-health-director-who-approved-obama-birth-certificate-dies-in-plane-crash )that “usually they would drop rescue gear into the water for the survivors but because the helicopters had arrived quickly so that was not required.”

“We acted as the on scene commander,” Ferguson, an avionics electrical technician, third class, said. “So we control all the different assets flying around there and made sure no one flew into that air space.”

So even though Lang called for help immediately upon finding the downed plane, the Coast Guard was not alerted until after Lang had already flown to Molokai Airport, looked around and found nobody, and flown back to the site.

It all just seems crazy.

[thecodont]

Butterdezillion, you are amazing in your energy, diligence, and dedication to the truth.

“If the NTSB timeline is believed, a death from that plane crash was reported in the news before ANYBODY know that it had happened. “

Didn’t someone else post a story today that the Internet proves that time travel does not exist because a Web search showed there were no stories of people predicting events that later came true? Ironic, isn’t it?

[thecodont]

Too bad he didn’t land the plane in the Hudson River like Sullenberger did, in full view of everybody and with local security cameras recording everything.

[rodguy911]

Below is all I can find linking zero to el Rukin Jeff Fort,there must be more I missed. ................

Muslim apologist, Barack Obama, is in a unique position of power, far from the days of his community organizing on the south side of Chicago where he had to take orders from the local gang chief. Now he’s the man, and he has the power to broker a deal in the Middle East, or to extort the leaders, like he did to the automobile manufacturers in the United States. Will he go along with Hillary and her friends in the Muslim Brotherhood to seize Libya from Gaddafi, or will he play out an extortion scheme to pay back some of Obama’s most ardent supporters; mainly the Reverend Jeremiah Wright, and Minister Louis Farrakhan. Their roots go back with Gaddafi since the 1980′s, along with community organizer Barack Obama’s former chief, Jeff Fort. Nothing goes on in the Hood without the okay from the gang chief. Jeff Fort, co-founder of the Black P. Stone Nation, is a Muslim convert and the person most responsible for introducing Islam into the Chicago Street Gang mentality. Upon release from the Joliet, Illinois State Prison, for doing a bit over misappropriating one million dollars in government funds targeted to teach job skills to gang members, Fort moved to Milwaukee, Wisconsin, to avoid police surveillance, and established the El Rukn Tribe of the Moorish Science Temple, an Islamic sect.